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Center of Peace and Hope in Christ for Afghanistan issues challange to moderate Muslims
Center of Peace and Hope in Christ for Afghanistan ^
| September 17, 2002
| John M. Marion, Jr.
Posted on 09/17/2001 4:52:08 PM PDT by JeepInMazar
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To: JeepInMazar
I have no problems with people from any religion living here. My problem is the Christian preachers should be making it clear in no uncertain terms that Islam, Hindu, Budda, etc. are devilish and idolotrous religions. They are deceptions meant to keep people from the knowledge that ONLY Jesus Christ, the sacrificial lamb of God, can take away the sins of this fallen world.
To: JeepInMazar
I would advise all American Muslims to go on a huge PR campaign targetted towards the Muslim world asking them to reject the extremist among them. An Indian that I work with tells me that he thinks that the US Military has far more personel than the combined Muslim world has terrorist. According to him, there are not as many monsters as we may think.
I keep hearing that Islam rejects their kind of Islam. We all know the story of a few of these monster's going to a titty bar the night before. Never mind that the Taliban will severely punish women in Afghanistan for just showing as much as a neck. I would think that any faith would totally reject this kind of monstrousity and hypocracy.
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posted on
09/17/2001 5:06:58 PM PDT
by
lormand
To: Russell Scott
They do make it clear, if you're in a good church, by preaching/teaching the truth in their sermons and Bible studies.
But there is really not much need for them to say it publicly at this time. If you do that there is no context of loving concern with which to surround it.
To: Russell Scott
Amen, RS; the truth spoken in love......
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09/17/2001 5:13:22 PM PDT
by
Malcolm
To: JeepInMazar
One more thought: If our public schools were not so hostile to Christ and the Bible, many of the people who move here would have a much easier time assimilating and understanding America. Christianity is the foundation of American government.
To: Russell Scott
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To: Russell Scott
"...Islam, Hindu, Budda, etc. are devilish and idolotrous religions." This statement is as intolerant as those of the Muslims who insist that Islam is the true religion. And none of the religions you cite worship the devil. Also, Christianity has its share of idols...
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09/18/2001 11:38:50 PM PDT
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etcetera
To: etcetera
It's a free country, and he can say what he wants.
As far as I know, only in islam ("surrender") is it a crime punishable by death for a person to decide to convert to another religion.
So which religion, in fact, is truly intolerant?
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To: JeepInMazar
Now is the time for Christians to demonstrate the love of Christ to our Muslim friends. Christians should pray for Gods greatest blessing on Muslims living as a minority in America.I was with him until he got to the next paragraph. The early church showed Christ's love to all, ESPECIALLY those that were turning them into Romana Lion Chow. Let's not concern ourselves with what the Moslems do- "If G-d is for us, who can stand against us?" Be ambassadors, and trust G-d, brothers and sisters. Its WJD (what Jesus did).
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09/19/2001 11:43:18 PM PDT
by
L,TOWM
(Liberals, The Other White Meat)
To: Manny Festo
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To: JeepInMazar
Moderate American Muslims need to clearly denounce those misguided people who, in the name of Islam, call for the death of those who leave the Muslim religion. To do otherwise is to promote intolerance toward our fellow Americans who choose to no longer adhere to the Muslim religion. And to do otherwise will demonstrate that even the most moderate form of Islam is incompatible with the United States Constitution. Yes. This is exactly what moderate Muslim leaders and followers need to do. This would put a quick end to the misguided violence and hatred currently directed at them.
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09/20/2001 5:37:39 AM PDT
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B Knotts
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To: Russell Scott
This is offered in the spirit of family ties.
They are deceptions meant to keep people from the knowledge that ONLY Jesus Christ, the sacrificial lamb of God, can take away the sins of this fallen world. Posted by Russell Scott This truth is easily understood by you because you have His spirit indwelling your human spirit, but His spirit didn't get there by force, force of His doing or force of some evangelist.
Thumping people of other faiths with the Bible of our beliefs seldom converts anyone. Truth is never a weapon; truth is a means by which His Spirit-voice may bring reason to the dying soul, if that soul will but crack open the door to the heart.
The knowledge of Christ within cannot be described sufficiently to all at any given moment such that the world comes to Christ en masse. Being born again is a person-by-person phenomenon. When the world is at war with Islam very few if any in the Islamic world will come to a knowledge of Christ. Whom do you suppose that pleases? Seeking to squelch the extremists factions of Islamism that fanatically seek to destroy this nation has a chance to re-establish peace for a time, during which time Christians will be sharing their belief via their lives and actions, not merely lipservice. But never forget that the narrow path/door of salvation are not the broad avenue/gate of destruction, so don't expect vast numbers of sadly misguided folks to come to a knowledge of Christ; don't seek to force it. We ought strive for peace, as it is the atmosphere in which our faith may become attractive to others. We are not required to accept our destruction passively; we are admonished to fight against evil, but we must have discernment, to blast away at the evil yet love the individual's sadly being led to their spiritual doom.
Bottom line? ... You cannot force salvation upon anyone, and that is a major difference in the Christian religion as opposed to the extremist Islam faith.
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09/20/2001 11:33:33 AM PDT
by
MHGinTN
To: JeepInMazar
Your post contains some very important points. For one thing the attacts spreading accross the U.S. are indeed wrong. There are attacks against Muslims and those who many think are Muslims but they are not, it shows how ignorant many are when they lump certain types of people together when they are totally different, like Indians many who are Hindu and Afghans who are mainly muslims. After the Gulf war one would figuremany people in the U.S. would go out and learn the difference between other religions and various types of peoples of the world. Unfortunately they havent. What is also unfortunate is that many will refuse to think of Muslims in America as their friends. I really dont blame them totally. After years of ridiculous Hollywood movies sterotyping and brainwashing the public about Muslims, I can see why many are against them. The news media doesnt help either. We rarely see anything positive about Muslim countries except the poor living in squalor or men waving guns. To address your point about Muslims accepting Christians is this. There is a great difference between Muslims who are from Arab countries now living in the U.S. as citizens and those who are plain ol Americans who became Muslims. My self for example though my whole family isnt, just my immediate family. We are Black, German, and American Indian. I was taught when growing up by my grandfather everything about our forefathers and what they went through. I was also taught wen your the minority in the country when it comes to the dominant relgion you respect the dominat religion. After all I do believe the forefathers did incorporate their religion in the foundation of our country, and that should be respected period. It is much more difficult for foreign Muslims to see that for one thing many were not born here. I do feel since they are living in this country now as citizens, they need to take the initiative to learn about their home. And that goes to any foreigner moving to the U.S. in my opinion. Lastly to address your point about Muslims who leave their religion. Moderate or not that is a no no. One cannot bend the rules just because its 2001. Doing so one might as well not bother to call themself a Muslim. Its like some one changing the constitution because they dont like a clause in it or its not update enough which would be totally ridiculous. Death is called for those who used to formally be Muslim and that is the law and man cant change that. Another point is that I dont recall the United States Constitution discussing what religions are compatible or not compatible with it. Islam has nothing to do with going about and changing the constitution. I dont feel that any religion was ment to adapt to the "times" for one thing we arent God and its not our job to change his laws whether you follow the Bible, Quran, or whatever else one might follow. If it was his laws were ment to be changed by man there would probablly be written somewhere in the books to change the Bible or Quran when one is unhappy with what it says or change it because it needs to fit with the times.
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