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Radical Islam Or Communist Direct Action
Toogood Reports ^ | September 13, 2001 | Charles A. Morse

Posted on 09/13/2001 7:03:07 PM PDT by Starmaker

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To: Zadokite, Starmaker
Communists are notorious masters at worming their way into societies by identifying an Achilles heel.

Barbara Lee and the CONGRESSIONAL PROGRESSIVE CAUCUS

64 posted on 09/25/2001 3:33:51 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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Thanks you two - for all the good links.
65 posted on 09/25/2001 5:30:30 AM PDT by ChaseR
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66 posted on 09/25/2001 6:06:55 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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Thanks for flagging me, ChaseR. And thank you for the links, Zadokite!
68 posted on 09/25/2001 11:29:13 AM PDT by goldilucky
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69 posted on 09/25/2001 1:07:50 PM PDT by ChaseR
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To: Starmaker
VERY THOUGHTFUL POST. THANKS.

The conversations, from all quarters, were the usual screed of anti-Israel, anti-American pseudo-Marxist drivel. The atmosphere was anything but religious and, I would contend, quite reflective of a left-wing radical "Islamic" mindset.

That ilk of attitude, whining, screaming can be followed probably all the way back to Cain. There has long been something in the human critter that wants to do his own thing in his own way in his own time--regardless of how irrational, selfish, arrogant, cruel, perverse or whatever--AND THEN gets indignant when ANYONE or anything says anything to the contrary.

Every once in a while, the enemy of all of us succeeds in getting some sap who'd had terrible parenting or none to begin to demand from others and even society that they behave in a way to force him to feel good and to meet all his damands--and usually further--to make the world over in his image.

Of course, some, like their existential father of lies become merely intent on causing all the mayhem and destruction they are capable of and capable of enlisting other to do.

I am convinced that the international program of terror, responsible for the irrational planned mass murders in this country and in the world, is, rather than Islamic, more communist in nature. It is a major mistake to point the finger of blame on peoples and nations who profess the Islamic faith. Islam essentially advocates peace and Islamic nations have, historically, been tolerant, albeit condescendingly, toward Christians, Jews, and other minorities living in their lands. What´s happening today, with suicide bombers, is unprecedented in Islamic history because it´s not been a part of Islamic history.

Yes and no. Islam does have some very harsh things to say in the Koran. AND they have historically demonstrated their share of cruelty and perhaps then some--though compared to the crusades, I fear the so called Christians--the legalistic religionists after the manner of Pharisees that Christ was most punitive and castigating toward--that lot probably topped even the cruelest Byzantine era folk.

While arguments can be made against Islam, I believe that this is the wrong road to choose. The problem lies with segments of the Marxist Arab leadership who have chosen to radicalize their own people, particularly the young, by turning Islam into a vehicle of propaganda and brainwashing. An analogous movement in the US is the so-called Islamic "Nation of Islam" which also derives its origins from communist activists.

I think there we largely have unsatisfied, hurting, angry, hostile, demonized--often literally--folk who are greedily hungry for power and control. The religious noises are merely a convenient vehicle for the moment--with emotional draws on the masses.

It is a political religion that has been stripped of traditional notions of morality. These have been replaced by radical left-wing politics.

Guess I'd consider that an improvement. I don't believe they have been so replaced. Left-wing politics is also merely a convenient mantra. I don't believe a one of them really earnestly plans to give up any power they gain to the people under any system of thought, political or religious. Stalin certainly didn't. Lenin didn't. Mao certainly did not. Nor will any other left-wing voice box. It's a convenient noisey coat to wrap one's self in. It's a ticket to masses longing for someone to commiserate with them.

Communists are notorious masters at worming their way into societies by identifying an Achilles heel.

EXACTLY.

For example, in the US, that weakness was identified as early as the time of the Bolsheviks as racism, hence, a dialectic was set up to divide our society by fanning the flames of race conflict. In Britain, the communists observed a tendency toward homosexuality amongst the ruling classes; hence, the homosexual spy rings, which included people, like Philby, Burgess, and Maclean. In the Arab world the door toward communist subversion would be the infiltration of Islam, which they would alter to be used as a vehicle for terror against the capitalist west.

QUITE SO. And they'll have a flavor for Christians in due course--along the lines of the already infiltrated hopelessly mindlessly liberal branches of such.

The Bath Socialist movement seized power in Syria, Libya, and Iraq soon after their independence in the 1960´s. Saddam Hussein, like the Egyptian demagogue Abdul Gamel Nasser before him, is a hero of the international left and heads an entirely communistic regime. Arafat was trained in Moscow in 1959 where his sponsors in the Kremlin set him up in an organization called Al Fatah with an open checkbook and carte blanche regarding propaganda support from the left-wing international press. Al Fatah would be the founding group of the PLO, which is an umbrella of Marxist and left-wing militias.

ABSOLUTELY. A good read is the volume by the former body guard of Chao Sesku sp? of Albania about Chao Sesku's service to the KGB in getting Aarafat to modify his public personna to enable better, quicker seductions of the West etc. . . . that is, when A wasn't humping his body guards--all well caught on tape, of course. Maybe I can find the title. . . Sorry, my housemate lovingly sorted the chaos of my books for me and I can't find it.

While Hamas, Hizbollah, and other so-called Islamic groups pose as Islamic, an examination of their rhetoric and personnel reveal them as anything but religious.

Oh I think we could call them religiously evil, very easily and accurately. But I agree. They want to shred and obliterate any authority or rules but their own--their own being rather vulnerable to their emotional and chaotic mental whims.

Columnist Daniel Pipes recently wrote an expose on this fact. They are posing as religious to shift attention from their true left-wing nature and sponsorship while, at the same time; they are besmirching the Islamic faith and religion in general. In Israel, they are entirely controlled by Arafat who turns on and off the terrorist spigot when it fits the dialectical strategy. The left media cooks up a conflict between the so-called Islamic groups and the so-called moderate PA. This is one of the many big lies promulgated by international left-wing media stooges. The revolting spectacle of the UN conference on racism was a classic example of the international left on display.

VERY WELL SAID.

If we turn our anger toward Islam and Muslims, we are playing right into the hands of the radical terrorists who seek to trigger a religious war.

OF COURSE. They want to press the world to the wall with hostile religious violence in order to more easily facilitate the world gov heralding a one-size-fits all religion with the satan inhabited world leader at the helm. It will be held out as an essential and wonderful element of the new world peace.

Gag me with a shoehorn.

These same communist thugs are, to varying degrees, holding the Islamic world hostage as well with their threats and murder tactics. Lets ask all freedom loving peoples of the world, including those living under the left-wing jackboot in the Islamic world, to join us in exorcising this malignant cancer.

AMEN. Though I think signifcant time spent asking God to expose the realities of such to the masses concerned would be time well spent as well. He has access to men's hearts and minds even psycho-manipulative media can't match.

72 posted on 09/27/2001 5:28:19 AM PDT by Quix
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To: Zadokite
Bingo, good addition.
75 posted on 09/28/2001 5:37:45 AM PDT by b4its2late
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And we've all been told that communism is dead.
77 posted on 09/29/2001 9:43:34 AM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Zadokite
You've complied quite a thread!

What is Venezuela's Hugo Chavez up to---Mega LINKS.

80 posted on 10/05/2001 1:56:59 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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