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Hey Libertarian! The Ayn Rand Institute Has A Message For YOU!
The Ayn Rand Institute ^ | Sept. 12, 2001 | Leonard Peikoff

Posted on 09/13/2001 2:24:38 PM PDT by danielmryan

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To: Reason4Man
Reclaiming it is not theft.

It was never ours to begin with. We made our profit off that oil and continue to do so. It aint ours.

Do you even know what the word appeasement means? Your use of the word suggests you have no idea.

21 posted on 09/13/2001 4:03:06 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Reason4Man
Larry, you are being a bit too sensitive. Reagan should have never aligned us with these people.

Huh? I support what was done. The CIA did a great job. They put the weapons in the hands of the shooters, the nutcases. That was exactly what we should have done. Too bad those nuts are now our enemy. But at least they don't have boomer subs off both our coasts.

We eliminated the Soviet Empire. We can deal with these pretenders to power.

Or would you prefer the Soviets still be in Afghanistan, perhaps have moved into Pakistan and the Berlin Wall still be standing?

Not me..and not the 400 million who are free today because of what Reagan, Thatcher, the Pope and millions of others did.

22 posted on 09/13/2001 4:08:04 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Lurker
Dear Lurker,

Hope you and yours are safe and well. I agree that the portion of the essay you posted looks very like common sense.

But this part is sheer silliness: Fifty years ago, Truman and Eisenhower ceded to the Arabs the West's property rights in oil—although that oil properly belonged to those in the West whose science and technology made its discovery and use possible.

By this reasoning the person who discovered the moon shares property rights to it with the folks who developed the technology that got Apollo 11 up there.

Actually most of the first three-quarters of the essay rest on dubious foundations.

Kindest Regards

23 posted on 09/13/2001 4:09:35 PM PDT by SwimmingUpstream
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To: Demidog
Demidog, whose oil was it? The people who happened to settle on top of it at a certain point in time. Only we put the technology and knowledge into taking it out. We acquired the land legally and had it stolen. It appears you do endorse theft. Appeasemant is exactly what we did when we had our property nationalized and did nothing. It is what we did when we allowed Khomeini to issue death threats against an American publisher (the American publishing house which published Satanic Verses) and took no action against him. And it is what we will do if we allow Tuesdays attack to stand unchallenged by vicious retaliation. Is that specific enough for you?
24 posted on 09/13/2001 4:10:45 PM PDT by Reason4Man
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To: Reason4Man
"Larry, you are being a bit too sensitive. Reagan should have never aligned us with these people. SO he made a mistake, big deal. We must now deal with them harshly."

Let me chime in, briefly, with regard to us 'switching sides' with regard to Afghanistan:

One of the main reasons why the Roman Empire collapsed was that they let barabarians do their fighting for them, to the point where the Romans flat-out depended on them.

Try placing this in the context of what's happened this week - including 9/11.

25 posted on 09/13/2001 4:21:11 PM PDT by danielmryan (danryan@undergroundmind.com)
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To: LarryLied
Yes, Larry. I am obviously saddened by the demise of the Soviets. Get a grip. You act as though arming the Taliban was the sole reason that the Soviets collapsed. The Soviets collapsed because we finally stood up to them. It was about time and thank goodness Reagan had the guts to do it.Arming the Taliban was short-sighted as evidenced by Tuesdays events. Like you said "too bad".
26 posted on 09/13/2001 4:26:57 PM PDT by Reason4Man
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To: danielmryan
Yes, Ayn Rand was getting her freak on with Nathaniel Brandon while they both were married. However that has nothing to do with this.

This however is about what I have come to expect from the Ayn Rand Institute.

First: what could Ronald Reagan have done when the Soviets attacked Afganistan. letting the Afgans hang out to dry would have been cost effective but would it have been prudant or wise? of course not.

Second: Yes I support taking out terrorists. I also support shutting down countries that have no democratic values and putting them under new management. However if the West steals these countries' oil again and stations troops to gaurd what has been stolen than the west is unworthy of my support

27 posted on 09/13/2001 4:29:48 PM PDT by theKing
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To: J WEASLETON BIGGY
. . .Rand, is a genius, . . .

Pardon me while I puke.

Incidentally, ad hominen attacks are always the last refuge of the intellectually banktrupt (kinda like liberals)

Ad hominem endorsements of morally bankrupt pseudo-philosophers such as Ayn Rand are no better.

28 posted on 09/13/2001 4:37:04 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Demidog
I'm certainly not a fan of stealing.

Who cares anymore if it's "stealing", they are using that oil to kill as many of us as they can. Let the oil go to pay for the 11,000 body bags ordered for our New York citizens. The Islamic people have made their decision, now it's time for paybacks.

29 posted on 09/13/2001 4:47:08 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: J WEASLETON BIGGY
Let's see....YOU have informed us that Rand is a genius....You must be one too, how else could you know if your weren't.....how nice.
30 posted on 09/13/2001 4:47:13 PM PDT by Moby Grape
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To: DAnconia55
This time... we keep the oil.

Very good idea.

31 posted on 09/13/2001 4:48:09 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: LarryLied
Why the libertarian-bashing? Quit confusing us with anarchists. We believe in the constitution, and one of the few constitutionally-authorized functions of the fed gov't is national defense. Our nation was brutally attacked, and we're all united behind the military and eager for a devastating response.

You libertarian-bashers just cannot accept the fact that 60 years of meddling in the affairs of other soverign nations is the main contributing factor in US becoming targets. And another thing that you guys cannot accept is that the only difference between what those arab bastards did to us and what we did to Yugoslavia is that the arabs had the balls to die for their cause.

Get used to these kind of things happening in the future, because if the supposedly freedom-loving members of FR can't accept the need to re-think our intreventionallist foreign policy, there is no chance that it will change enough to get us out of the bullseye.

32 posted on 09/13/2001 5:03:16 PM PDT by LIBERTARIAN JOE
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To: FITZ
Who cares anymore if it's "stealing"

I do. If we can rationalize it abroad, we can rationalize it at home. Forsake your morals and perish.

33 posted on 09/13/2001 5:03:27 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Demidog
And I would have to ask anyone in favor of keeping the oil

As reparations. What do you think those skyscrapers are worth in dollars?

34 posted on 09/13/2001 5:04:06 PM PDT by DAnconia55
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To: DAnconia55
That doesn't give us the right to all of it. I would think that the reperations would not go to all of America but to the property owner. Since you or I do not own those buildings, then we should see no particular benefit from war in this case.

Once the debt is paid, then whatever nation it is we're talking about, should get back control over their property.

And frankly this doesn't look like the work of a Nation but of a small group.

Punishing the entire nation including the innocent civilians is not justice.

35 posted on 09/13/2001 5:09:42 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Demidog
You can take the high road if you want. But you can see what it did for the people high up in WTC1 and 2.


BUMP

36 posted on 09/13/2001 5:10:58 PM PDT by tm22721
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To: Uriel1975
But if people do want to turn this into a land-grab, I really want to know their answer to the question -- from where??

I wasn't assuming it was only Afghanistan that was the problem. I've seen speculation on threads here today... if we do invade, that we should remove all the Saddams, all the militant muslims from the heads of countries.. And when we withdraw (like Japan/Germany) arrange it so the new governments are democracies and look on us favorably.

What if we do find out Iraq directed or financed this..?

We can easily land there.

37 posted on 09/13/2001 5:11:52 PM PDT by DAnconia55
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To: jlogajan
no more then you blew your reply
38 posted on 09/13/2001 5:16:18 PM PDT by breakem
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To: breakem
no more then you blew your reply

Everybody's a critic.

39 posted on 09/13/2001 5:20:28 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: danielmryan
Great article - it kind of makes up for Harry Browne's waffling.
40 posted on 09/13/2001 5:21:16 PM PDT by garbanzo
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