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BATTING A THOUSAND
9/12/01 | Michael Rivero

Posted on 09/12/2001 8:09:27 AM PDT by Michael Rivero

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To: FormerLurker
"Hey, are you that laugh a lot dude who claimed to be a pilot but didn't know what IFF was?" I believe his/she/it's name was guy737sw.

I just checked a pilot's handbook and there is no listing for IFF.

guy7373sw went to a Freeper meeting and was checked out to be the real deal. He is exactly who he says he is.

101 posted on 09/13/2001 6:54:17 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: katze
Refer to post #97. I myself should have refrained from replying to your assinine attacks. I've said what I've had to say. From now on I'll simply ignore you. If you persist in following me around from thread to thread, I WILL hit the abuse button on you. I don't like you, and don't care if you like me. Let's leave it at that.
102 posted on 09/13/2001 6:57:39 AM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
China? What makes you think that it took money and power to do this? Where is your facts that say that there was a connection?

A statement like that is where someone like Katse would think that you're this rivero person. People come here for information and not someone writing down gut reactions, rumours or innuendo.

103 posted on 09/13/2001 7:07:14 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: Shooter 2.5
I just checked a pilot's handbook and there is no listing for IFF.

guy7373sw went to a Freeper meeting and was checked out to be the real deal. He is exactly who he says he is.

Too bad the terrorist didn't have the same manual you have. IFF stands for Identification of Friend or Foe, and is commonly referred to as the transponder. IFF is a military term that was passed along when they developed a civilian version that has reduced capabilities. Civilian IFF simply replies to queries for altitude and aircraft ID. Any pilot would know what it is, as that is what the instrument itself is actually called. So you obviously don't know what you're talking about either. This has already been settled on another thread, where aviation experts HAD verified that. In fact, it was _Jim who had stated that little tidbit of stupidity, and he was ridiculed so fervently by FR pilots that he disappeared for quite some time in shame.

guy737sw simply foamed at the mouth a lot, and couldn't stop posting LOL in every sentence he/she/it ever posted. If you're serious and you HAVE met someone who claimed to be guy737sw, ever consider the possibility that there ARE infiltrators here on FR that have been assigned to keep the "sheeple" in line?

104 posted on 09/13/2001 7:09:54 AM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: Shooter 2.5
China? What makes you think that it took money and power to do this? Where is your facts that say that there was a connection?

Who stands to gain from this? Fact is they have supplied Middle Eastern countries for quite some time. Why?

A statement like that is where someone like Katse would think that you're this rivero person. People come here for information and not someone writing down gut reactions, rumours or innuendo.

I'm not the only person to have wondered about this. And your not the moderator, nor the owner of this board. I don't care why you think people come here for. People have the right to speculate and discuss possibilities. You have NO right to silence them. Just what factual information have YOU posted lately?

So if someone posts their opinion, such as they think all pilots should be armed, we should stop those people from posting? They've posted speculation as to whether it would be a good idea. And they are posting from a "gut reaction". Maybe we should censor all of the news media while we're at it, as they've been doing some speculating of their own lately. Speech is only free if someone agrees with YOU and your team, right?

105 posted on 09/13/2001 7:18:07 AM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: 1Old Pro
How about some security in the cabin of the plane as well? I have a personal stake in this. My daughter is an American Airlines Flight Attendant. These young men and women are the first line of defense against hijacking, and they are woefully underprepared for such a thing. The cockpit officers, also, feel very protective towards members of their crews--all of them. And like any other commander, they will do whatever it takes to try to keep them safe.
107 posted on 09/13/2001 7:19:49 AM PDT by In mourning for six years
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To: FormerLurker
I looked in a civilian handbook and didn't see it so I checked a military simulation handbook and it's there. I am not a pilot. I was taking lessons until I realized that I already had a hobby.

If you were on those threads, you know that guy737sw was checked out.

If you're looking for a disruptor, it's the two time clinton voter. He will continue to post proven lies over and over.

108 posted on 09/13/2001 7:20:01 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: Michael Rivero
the plane in PA crashed. Sounds like a 75% success rate to me...
109 posted on 09/13/2001 7:21:26 AM PDT by Rosencrantz
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To: FormerLurker
When you accuse someone of something, you better have your facts. We already had a shooting of a Mosque in Dallas. This is not the time to guess who did this.

Hopefully, this will be the last thread where Rivero implies U.S. involvement.

110 posted on 09/13/2001 7:29:02 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: Rosencrantz
On some level I wish it had been one of our military aircraft that had "splashed" this plane, but I'm just as happy that it was three American heroes who saved the rest of the country from an additional disaster.

We're batting .250 and that's not enough to keep us in the majors given our lousy fielding ability.

111 posted on 09/13/2001 7:29:13 AM PDT by GEC
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To: mrjeff
I carry a knife on my keyring all the time and it goes through airport security every time, time after time

Funny, I carry a pocket knife with dull, chipped, less than 2 inch blades and I can't enter an IRS office or a court house with it in my possession.

112 posted on 09/13/2001 7:38:17 AM PDT by lewislynn
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To: Shooter 2.5
When you accuse someone of something, you better have your facts. We already had a shooting of a Mosque in Dallas. This is not the time to guess who did this.

We've been guessing at things for quite some time. I just hope those who are tasked with running the show take into consideration all of the possibilities.

Concerning the mosque that was shot at, should we silence the media for reporting that bin Laden might be behind the WTC attack? Now they're talking about Afghanistan. How unresponsible of them. Nobody condones vigilante violence against US Citizens of foreign descent. The attack on the mosque is regrettable and shouldn't have happened. But are we to blame the media for that incident?

113 posted on 09/13/2001 7:45:01 AM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
<> Re your post 97

I'm here now at the suggestion of someone whom I respect. The above comment gives me hope that you have now placed some respect for the FBI, which many have deserved all along.

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I'm going to see how you react to Rivero, and if are able to denounce him for his years of anti-American talk, then I will publicly apologize to you. Your comment re China was, IMO, misplaced, since we've learned so much about Middle East involvement. If you aren't Rivero, I suggest you stop now, and take a look at the past, and stop behaving in his manner. Our govt is not perfect, but I will defend it with my own life, if needed; further, I will speak out against anyone who denigrates it.

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I will settle down, if this implication that our Govt, or an ally is involved, stops. You need to preach to the sleazy, lying Rivero about this--he is the one who has for many years, tried to divide this country. I'm fed up with it, and I will not allow him to do any more without speaking out.

Perhaps you don't realize all the conspiracy talk has harmed this country--the enemy would love to see this country divided. What if terrorists bombed TWA800, and see posts here that blame the US Navy, and call it a coverup; they probably laugh and cheer, believing this country is divided, and they've won twice. I'm willing to call a truce, but I refuse to apologize until you denounce Rivero's stance on this tragedy. You should be doing some searches on him, and read what he really thinks about this country, and one of our best allies. No need to respond to your other posts, since I'm saying all I have to say--except that I personally know Silly, know Fred25 _Jim, and Boot hill from FR and e-mails, and I believe they are patriotic, responsible people and want this country to survive and stay the proud and strong nation we've always been. I also suggest you stop using the term "shills", since none of us are anything of the sort.

114 posted on 09/13/2001 8:25:47 AM PDT by katze
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To: FormerLurker
"We've been guessing at things for quite some time."

And this is not the time to continue to do that without facts.

If you have something to back it up, do so, but to libel a group is irresponsible.

We have reported explosions in Afganistan. Maybe the government of Afganistan are the good guys and maybe they aren't.

115 posted on 09/13/2001 9:28:48 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: katze
I'm going to see how you react to Rivero, and if are able to denounce him for his years of anti-American talk, then I will publicly apologize to you.

I've already stated that if he is implying that the US government plotted this operation, he is wrong. I must say that it would be quite inappropriate to make any such claims while we are at war. HOWEVER, Mr. Rivero has in the past brought up subjects that while controversial, shined light in otherwise dark corners that were hidden from view. I can't say that he has been wrong in many of those views. But I could say that he should have presented the information without grandstanding and blaming EVERYONE in government.

There are many fine people who serve this Country. We owe it to them to serve a Country that values Truth, Honor, and Freedom.

Your comment re China was, IMO, misplaced, since we've learned so much about Middle East involvement.

China HAS been involved in the Middle East. That is my concern. They've been aiding Libya, Iran, and several other hostile nations such as North Korea. There SHOULD be cause for concern over that. This might just be a trap.

If you aren't Rivero, I suggest you stop now, and take a look at the past, and stop behaving in his manner. Our govt is not perfect, but I will defend it with my own life, if needed; further, I will speak out against anyone who denigrates it.

I've served my Country in the United States Marine Corps. I had enlisted in the Marines due to my strong desire to serve my Country and protect our Constitution and way of life. I was prepared to die for my Country. I still am if called upon to do so. And I WILL speak out against those who try to take away those Freedoms and Liberties. That is why many people came to FR in the first place, to speak out against the corruption that was taking place during the Clinton years. The problem we had katze is that you appeared to defend that corruption, in addition to other questionable things.

I will settle down, if this implication that our Govt, or an ally is involved, stops.

You can do as you wish. It's not my place to tell you what you can or can't do on FR.

You need to preach to the sleazy, lying Rivero about this--he is the one who has for many years, tried to divide this country. I'm fed up with it, and I will not allow him to do any more without speaking out.

You need to direct your comments to Rivero if you have a beef with him. Don't direct them at me.

Perhaps you don't realize all the conspiracy talk has harmed this country--the enemy would love to see this country divided.

There WERE and ARE coverups. That is what we were discussing. Just as in Waco, there were other misdeeds during the Clinton years. People just sought the truth in those matters and wanted those responsible to be held accountable.

What if terrorists bombed TWA800, and see posts here that blame the US Navy, and call it a coverup; they probably laugh and cheer, believing this country is divided, and they've won twice.

The incident shouldn't have been covered up. There ARE witnesses. A whole bunch of them. Nobody accused the Navy of shooting down TWA 800 deliberately. Perhaps it was BOTH a terrorist and an a attempt to knock down that missile, who knows. Maybe it was an attempt to shootdown a out of control cruise missile or drone. Who knows. If the truth had been delivered to us at the time of the accident, we wouldn't have to guess. In fact, if the truth had been told us back then if it HAD been a terrorist attack, perhaps we could have taken care of the situation BACK THEN and we'd still have both tower 1 and tower 2 of the WTC, 4 US airliners, an intact Pentagon, and 20,000+ more people right now. The truth IS the best policy, especially in a Free Country.

I'm willing to call a truce, but I refuse to apologize until you denounce Rivero's stance on this tragedy.

I take no great joy in posting long posts that have little or nothing to do with the topic at hand. I'll accept your truce, and offer one in response, if YOU try to understand that we are ALL entitiled to our opinions. Rivero is entitiled to his, I'm entitiled to mine, and you are entitiled to yours. I've already stated my opinion on this matter. I'm not in the habit of attacking (or denouncing) someone simply because of their opinion. I DO respond to personal attacks against me in similar fashion however.

If you have a problem with Rivero, take it up with him, not with me.

You should be doing some searches on him, and read what he really thinks about this country, and one of our best allies.

I said that I don't always agree with him. There's many here who know what they'd find if we did a few searches on what some of your allies have posted. Nobody is perfect, nor do they always agree. Let's leave it at that.

No need to respond to your other posts, since I'm saying all I have to say--except that I personally know Silly, know Fred25 _Jim, and Boot hill from FR and e-mails, and I believe they are patriotic, responsible people and want this country to survive and stay the proud and strong nation we've always been.

You have your opinion, I have mine.

I also suggest you stop using the term "shills", since none of us are anything of the sort.

I didn't invent the term. There's a reason why it is used. As long as someone isn't acting unreasonably nor in a manner which would suggest that they are attempting to silence the Truth, I don't use the term. But there ARE shills here on FR, and they DO attempt to silence those who discuss things that certain people may want silenced. It comes with the territory of being a well-read site.

116 posted on 09/13/2001 9:38:57 AM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: katze
Fixed font, otherwise post is unreadable.

I'm going to see how you react to Rivero, and if are able to denounce him for his years of anti-American talk, then I will publicly apologize to you.

I've already stated that if he is implying that the US government plotted this operation, he is wrong. I must say that it would be quite inappropriate to make any such claims while we are at war. HOWEVER, Mr. Rivero has in the past brought up subjects that while controversial, shined light in otherwise dark corners that were hidden from view. I can't say that he has been wrong in many of those views. But I could say that he should have presented the information without grandstanding and blaming EVERYONE in government.

There are many fine people who serve this Country. We owe it to them to serve a Country that values Truth, Honor, and Freedom.

Your comment re China was, IMO, misplaced, since we've learned so much about Middle East involvement.

China HAS been involved in the Middle East. That is my concern. They've been aiding Libya, Iran, and several other hostile nations such as North Korea. There SHOULD be cause for concern over that. This might just be a trap.

If you aren't Rivero, I suggest you stop now, and take a look at the past, and stop behaving in his manner. Our govt is not perfect, but I will defend it with my own life, if needed; further, I will speak out against anyone who denigrates it.

I've served my Country in the United States Marine Corps. I had enlisted in the Marines due to my strong desire to serve my Country and protect our Constitution and way of life. I was prepared to die for my Country. I still am if called upon to do so. And I WILL speak out against those who try to take away those Freedoms and Liberties. That is why many people came to FR in the first place, to speak out against the corruption that was taking place during the Clinton years. The problem we had katze is that you appeared to defend that corruption, in addition to other questionable things.

I will settle down, if this implication that our Govt, or an ally is involved, stops.

You can do as you wish. It's not my place to tell you what you can or can't do on FR.

You need to preach to the sleazy, lying Rivero about this--he is the one who has for many years, tried to divide this country. I'm fed up with it, and I will not allow him to do any more without speaking out.

You need to direct your comments to Rivero if you have a beef with him. Don't direct them at me.

Perhaps you don't realize all the conspiracy talk has harmed this country--the enemy would love to see this country divided.

There WERE and ARE coverups. That is what we were discussing. Just as in Waco, there were other misdeeds during the Clinton years. People just sought the truth in those matters and wanted those responsible to be held accountable.

What if terrorists bombed TWA800, and see posts here that blame the US Navy, and call it a coverup; they probably laugh and cheer, believing this country is divided, and they've won twice.

The incident shouldn't have been covered up. There ARE witnesses. A whole bunch of them. Nobody accused the Navy of shooting down TWA 800 deliberately. Perhaps it was BOTH a terrorist and an a attempt to knock down that missile, who knows. Maybe it was an attempt to shootdown a out of control cruise missile or drone. Who knows. If the truth had been delivered to us at the time of the accident, we wouldn't have to guess. In fact, if the truth had been told us back then if it HAD been a terrorist attack, perhaps we could have taken care of the situation BACK THEN and we'd still have both tower 1 and tower 2 of the WTC, 4 US airliners, an intact Pentagon, and 20,000+ more people right now. The truth IS the best policy, especially in a Free Country.

I'm willing to call a truce, but I refuse to apologize until you denounce Rivero's stance on this tragedy.

I take no great joy in posting long posts that have little or nothing to do with the topic at hand. I'll accept your truce, and offer one in response, if YOU try to understand that we are ALL entitiled to our opinions. Rivero is entitiled to his, I'm entitiled to mine, and you are entitiled to yours. I've already stated my opinion on this matter. I'm not in the habit of attacking (or denouncing) someone simply because of their opinion. I DO respond to personal attacks against me in similar fashion however.

If you have a problem with Rivero, take it up with him, not with me.

You should be doing some searches on him, and read what he really thinks about this country, and one of our best allies.

I said that I don't always agree with him. There's many here who know what they'd find if we did a few searches on what some of your allies have posted. Nobody is perfect, nor do they always agree. Let's leave it at that.

No need to respond to your other posts, since I'm saying all I have to say--except that I personally know Silly, know Fred25 _Jim, and Boot hill from FR and e-mails, and I believe they are patriotic, responsible people and want this country to survive and stay the proud and strong nation we've always been.

You have your opinion, I have mine.

I also suggest you stop using the term "shills", since none of us are anything of the sort.

I didn't invent the term. There's a reason why it is used. As long as someone isn't acting unreasonably nor in a manner which would suggest that they are attempting to silence the Truth, I don't use the term. But there ARE shills here on FR, and they DO attempt to silence those who discuss things that certain people may want silenced. It comes with the territory of being a well-read site.

117 posted on 09/13/2001 9:42:42 AM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: Shooter 2.5
If you have something to back it up, do so, but to libel a group is irresponsible.

For something to fall under the term "libel", it has to be an item presented as fact where it is knowingly false. I didn't present it as fact, but speculation. And I don't know it to be false. Unless you've only been hanging out on the "conspiracy" threads, you'd know that China has been up to quite a few things over the past several years. Those things include arming and aiding terrorist states. If you want documentation on that, let me know, I'll dig up some articles. You could also go to the front page of FR and click on alamo-girl's links, as well as any others with the word "CHINA" in it.

118 posted on 09/13/2001 9:56:34 AM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
Yes, there are coverups, such as Waco, Ruby Ridge, and I'm not comfortable with the Foster and Ron Brown deaths. There are specific people involved, IMO, not the entire Govt.

BTW, I also served my country in Vietnam, as a Dept of Army civilian. I'm proud of what I did, incl going to firebases to pay troops, and many nights I was certain I'd never see a dawn--5 yrs of it.

Sorry about the Italics; I'm unfamiliar with the HTML, tho' I've been trying to learn.

Let us leave it at that for now. However, in view of what you've said, I apologize for calling you Rivero; you were awfully close to him at times.

119 posted on 09/13/2001 10:10:29 AM PDT by katze
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To: katze
Let us leave it at that for now. However, in view of what you've said, I apologize for calling you Rivero; you were awfully close to him at times.

It wasn't the fact that you kept referring to me as Rivero that had upset me. It was the other things that were implied that I was offended by. Let's just try to be civil, and everything should be fine.

120 posted on 09/13/2001 10:33:09 AM PDT by FormerLurker
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