Posted on 09/12/2001 12:31:51 AM PDT by ouroboros
Ah, yes, the famous leftist rallying cry from the Desert Storm era traitors, now being ululated by the Clownes for Browne. What the leftist ideologues didn't realize then and what you fail to realize now is that oil makes its way into all areas of the economy, from fertilizers to pharmaceutical to transportation. Hence, to allow a little Napolean such as Saddam Hussein to grab onto half the world's known oil supplies and dictate any price he wanted to would have caused massive starvation in places such as Africa. Ideologues again show their shallow rationalist mind-sets.
Mid-Evil factions that have bastardized a glorious religion (Islam) versus a 21st Century McWorld.
The fundamentalists hate us for what we represent and are unwilling to accept it......willing to kill us because of it.
McWorld will have to drag these factions into the 21st Century and force them to live in peace with their neighbor - or -destroy them.
Patently ridiculous. Starvation in Africa is not the result of any insufficiencies in the world food supply. World per-capita food production has been increasing every decade without exception and is at its highest level in history, and that despite the allied embargo of Iraq, which certainly took Iraqi oil off the markets throughout much of the 1990s.
Starvation in Africa results primarily from the deliberate actions of corrupt Governments -- Governments such as Islamic governments in Sudan, practicing the "pure Islamic desert morality" advocated by Jihadist nut-bars as the "rejuvenation of Christianity" (see Cultural Jihad's homepage for details), who willfully restrict food supplies to starving regions, using starvation as a weapon against innocent people who reject the "pure Islamic desert morality" of the Jihadist regimes.
As always, you're Wrong.
Yes. It would not cause massive starvation -- for world food production has increased inexorably every decade, even through the oil shocks and embargoes of the 1970s, utterly disproving your completely unsupported fantasies (rather, the corrupt governments of Africa would continue to cause massive starvation of their own populations, exactly as they are doing now).
The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is, in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. -- President George Washington, Farewell Address
Washington regarded your kind of chicken-little war-mongering as being the bleatings of Dupes and Tools.
I do as well.
Once we have killed the enemies that fools like yourself have created for us (by your treasonous, moral-cowardice policy of sacrificing your own fellow-citizen's blood for "cheap oil"), we would be well advised to ignore all the Interventionist "Cultural Jihad"s as the always-Wrong Dupes that you are, and return to Mr. Washington's sage advice.
Your HTML is too ugly and tedious to read, Uriel.
Are your thought processes as scattered as your formatting tags are? :D
He said the same things in his 1992 campaign. He was the first, the leading, and for the most part, the ONLY significant political figure that has called for a change in our military to be defensive, not aggressive. He has long advocated the majority of our military budget should be spent defending our borders, building a missle defense system, and preventing terrorism. He also was the first to advocate the assassinating of terrorists and their leaders that kill americans, instead of the usual civilian retalliation bombing of foreign cities.
Everyone else talking today about terrorism is a "Johnny Come Lately". We should have listened to Harry Brown 10 years ago. Instead of deploying our troops all over the world in over 100 different countries under clinton, we should have instead defended our borders from terrorism and attack.
I have read your recent posts, and the tone carried throughout certainly justifies the anti-Jewish (do bear in mind that the Arabs are also Semites before you claim that you're anti-Semitic) label you have earned. I strongly doubt that Israeli gunships will hurt me, but a Palestinian hijacked plane or car bomb certainly will.
You wish to make a moral equivalence between the Israelis and the Palestinians. Only one side's avowed goal and leader-ordered directive is to kill every last person on the other side. Only one side's goal is to live within borders that are defensible with neighbors that do not wish to see it extinct. Given that the one side's goal is nothing short of anihilation, the other side has been forced to respond harshly in an attempt to sap the will of that side to anihilate. Said response has already worked on a couple of other former enemies.
Since you are incapable of distinguishing truth from the blind ignorance of hatred, I will repeat what I just said, identifying the sides for you. Only the Palestinian's avowed goal and leader-ordered directive is to kill every last Israeli. Only Israel's goal (at least vis-a-vis the Palestinians) is to live within borders that are defensible with neighbors that do not wish to see it extinct. Given that the Palestinian's goal is nothing short of anihilation, the Israelis has been forced to respond harshly in an attempt to sap the will of the Palestinians to anihilate them. Said response has already worked on Egypt and Jordan, which no longer advocate Israel's extinction.
Oh. And if you are in fanger of Palestinian hijacked planes or car bombs, could this be because of your advocacy of Isreali gunships?
What! Libertarianism for Americans, but no one else? I think that more than alittle of the resentment we get from around the world has been our support or lack of action where people are being brutally oppressed. It's long past time for America to extend the blessings of Liberty that we have gathered to ourselves and our posterity to all of the world.
"Oh no!", say the Dems and Reps, "we can't be the worlds policemen!" You're half-assed isolationists! The world is our neighborhood, let's clean it up.
If we had not been expending so much of our resources chasing poppies and pot, we could have done away with these terrorists long ago. We've sent 43 million dollars to Afghanistan, THIS YEAR, to fight opuim production. Yeah right! I'm so sure that they put that money to the use we intended.
Excellent point that needs repeating. Our Foreign Military Sales (FMS or SA - Security Assistance) programs identify charismatic, "up and coming" young foreign nationals and officers, and our military trains them. When our gamble pays off, and these officers and nationals advance to leadership positions, we supply them with all sorts of armaments.
Saddam is our creation. In addition, Derville is right about the analysts nixing the elimination of Saddam. I remember reading their analysis in the Washington Post before Desert Storm. And it was again, a choice between the lesser of two evils. At the time, a charismatic, religious fundamentalist leader seemed a much worse evil than Saddam. And I've seen on several forums on FR that Usama too was our own creation ... a little gift from the wonderful folks over at CIA, from our interventionist activities in Afghanistan when the USSR was having their own private Vietnam there.
I do not subscribe to what you call his 'philosophy', which includes open borders and a utopian view of economics and culture. One area in which he is clearly discredited is 'open borders', but then again, isn't Bush in favor of same?
Agreed. What alot of folks have problems with is DISSENT. A lot of folks are of the view that association with, or tendency to lean towards, a particular political party necessarily entails complete agreement with all stated policies and platforms.
And its always entertaining to watch the RINOs attempt to lambast everyone as commies or socialists or liberals for something that is identical to a policy of GW's.
my country, right or wrong YES
my government, right or wrong NO
I hope you all have fun. Meanwhile your polar opposites will be directing a war to preserve our nation. I hope ya'll enjoy yourselves. Probably a good time for all of you to go light up some nice "fatty" and "contemplate" over what's really the best course of action from a purely objectivist perspective while the rest of us go about helping this effort however we can.
God bless all of you. I don't know how we could survive without ya'll.
I will light up a FATTY just for you while I contemplate having to send my son to this war. I would respecfully suggest to you that is not a time for petty bickering. We have a war to fight. Perhaps the most impoartant war this country has ever been in.
I know I was not supposed to reply, but you just make it too easy. You sound like a greenie.
You just keep ignoring the fact that the oil out of the middle east is essential to the world economy.
Since when do you let pesky little facts get in your way?
I've decided to put my support behind people like Ron Paul and Brett Schundler. God bless'm both!
Has Mr. Ron Paul spoken on this subject yet? Sure would like to know his thoughts.
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