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Property Rights is not just a Western problem
See Article Text | 11 September, 2001 | brityank

Posted on 09/10/2001 10:59:39 PM PDT by brityank

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41 posted on 12/11/2001 1:19:12 PM PST by mercy
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To: editor-surveyor
Informative post!
42 posted on 12/11/2001 1:30:14 PM PST by GROUCHOTWO
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To: editor-surveyor
Thanks for the ping.

I think I will bookmark this one!

43 posted on 12/11/2001 1:35:37 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: editor-surveyor
Thanks for the bump and the article
44 posted on 12/11/2001 1:38:30 PM PST by E.G.C.
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To: editor-surveyor
I live in a part of the nation as well the government has claimed for it's own. So who started this lets take your property to protect the environment nonsense anyway? Was it from the 1960's liberals who came to power? No it started in full swing in the 1930's by a man known as FDR.

He pulled off perhaps the biggest environmental land grab ever in history. He set into motion the frame work for what is now called The Tennessee Valley Authority.

Look on a map of Tennessee there is only one natural big lake in the state and it was due to the New Madrid Fault Line where the Mississippi actually flowed backwards for a time due to an 1800's earthquake.

TVA has abused Eminent Domain probably more than any other government agency. In the 1930's FDR and The New Deal made a fraudulent claim that by damming up the Tennessee river tributaries soil erosion would be controlled. They went as far to take pictures of eroded farms or were they eroded? No it seems they were on limestone ridges common to the area. TVA forced sales of farms owned by families from the 1700's on and has since continued the same tactics of false claims to justify needs.

One of the most popular cases was the Tellico Dam project or the Little T as it is called. This project was the first time the Endangered Species Act was tested in a court of law. It wasn't that a bunch of environmental zealots lived in the Tennessee Valley is was the fact TVA was and still is a government agency out of control and rampant in abuse. Local fisherman and others used the ESA to try and stop the dam. The project by TVA's own later admission was unwarranted and could never produce enough electricity to justify it's cost.

TVA won the battle the farms were taken not to the water line but above it as well. Sales were forced even beyond the waters edge. So what happened? A drive down to the Knox County and Loudon County lines tells the story. Developers ended up with prime lakefront acreage that re-sold for rates 1000% and higher of what was paid by TVA. It's a rich mans playground. The most Fertile and historical land in Tennessee flooded for absolutely no reason other than a power drunk government agency wanted to spend money.

I've dealt with them myself as well. They proposed a high voltage transmission line to run across my property. I'm not one to question need for electricity it's great. But rather than use other suitable and shorter routes they ran a 3 mile route which crossed my property. Other locations would have made the run 500 feet or less. Still I took it in stride. They showed up and made the offer you can't refuse for a purchase of a 100 foot wide 1200 foot long easement across my land. They showed the route and towers to be used. Easement was sold all was well. In the next few weeks TVA came in with a crew that proceeded across my land with chainsaws like Sherman through Georgia extending their cut up to 500 feet width in places.

I asked what was going on they were on my private land away from easement. They stated danger trees were to be taken out. A tree could jump 20 feet off the stump. I said you get me your supervisor here now and stop work now. He showed up and said too bad we're TVA I'll bring in a U.S. Marshall. I said you better get someone here with authority higher than yours you are to leave now till such a time.

I then made a fast call to my congressman an explained the situation and urgency of the matter. I live on the side of a wooded ridge below the cut. They were less than 150 feet from my home on a steep ridge. Next day a higher up showed up and after debate on the matter said they would purchase the trees they had destroyed. They had to go for 1200 feet stump by stump to estimate cost. It was about double that of the original price. It was paid. When asked about the fallen tree's they were told unless you can move them without destroying more you best leave them lay. That's where they are today.

TVA as well violated laws like not burning tires. They used them in burning the bulldozed brush that was too green to burn. This from a government agency who has federal marshal police authority anywhere in the Tennessee Valley. This from an agency who can fine you $10,000 for driving a car on the lake bank that has a drawdown of 80 plus feet a year and barren banks. It causes erosion they say.

Well the next spring after the line was ran we had a bad storm. I have lived here all my life and never saw this happen even in the most severe storm. The springs along the cut boiled up mud. TVA and FDR the great environmentalist.

45 posted on 12/11/2001 1:51:27 PM PST by cva66snipe
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46 posted on 12/11/2001 2:01:16 PM PST by Red Jones
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47 posted on 12/11/2001 2:25:05 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: editor-surveyor; CommiesOut
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48 posted on 12/11/2001 2:47:59 PM PST by Free the USA
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To: brityank
Carol LaGrasse is the President of the PRF in New York.
She is a wealth of knowledge, I called one day and she
answered the phone, suprized me! She is ready willing
and able to help. I also support her with $$.
Well worth the investment.
49 posted on 12/11/2001 2:56:42 PM PST by The Mayor
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To: editor-surveyor; madrussian; malarski; Askel5; GROUCHOTWO; Zviadist; kristinn; Free the USA...
Thanks and bttt.
50 posted on 12/11/2001 3:05:20 PM PST by CommiesOut
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To: brityank
Thanks for the post brity...FReep is the perfect format for highlighting the plight of property owners all over America.
Most people don't really understand what is going on with the loss of property rights in our country. Most people in the US never have any contact with the Feds except at the Post Office and on April 15th when their hard-earned dollars are confiscated.
In the small western town where I have property, you have to have a federal permit to cut firewood, travel in the backcountry, float a river, stake a mining claim, graze a cow, drive in certain parts of the forest. If you shoot a wolf that is eating your livestock you could be financially ruined.

I've mentioned this before but a great magazine that is heavily involved in the land battles and is at the fore of the property rights struggles is RANGE, www.rangemagazine.com I recommend subscribing if you are truely interested in the ongoing battles for rights that are rightfully ours.

51 posted on 12/11/2001 3:21:09 PM PST by Cuttnhorse
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To: editor-surveyor
Thanks, there's a lesson to be learned here.....
52 posted on 12/11/2001 3:33:57 PM PST by abigail2
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To: editor-surveyor
Thanks for the ping and the information.
53 posted on 12/11/2001 4:09:17 PM PST by Snow Bunny
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To: brityank
>In Romans 1:18-32 is a great description of radical environmentalism

That's a keeper.

54 posted on 12/11/2001 4:14:11 PM PST by PaulKersey
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Excellent thread. Good information
55 posted on 12/11/2001 4:25:13 PM PST by Angelique
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Strangely, the casinos on the Mississippi coast don't experience to many problems with wetlands. It's as if acres and acres of saltmarsh just disapear from the government's mind in a snap. And I'ld swear they were still there before the casinos moved in. Funding edercation', you know. And the Corp of Engineers often finds clever ways to resolve messy wetland problems, and ends up spending even more money in its "projects". Odd how those things work.
56 posted on 12/11/2001 4:29:16 PM PST by Cleburne
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To: editor-surveyor
Thanks for the ping! This should be of great concern to everyone.
57 posted on 12/11/2001 4:32:58 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: cva66snipe
A lot of conservatives feel that the abuses of the land by TVA, the Corp of Engineers, and other government programs, are fine, becuase (I suppose) they build things. I don't know how many times I've heard the snail darter and dam story lamented by conservatives-imagine a little fish stopping the taming of a big river, etc. Never mind almost every river in Tennessee is a concrete lake, never mind the finest farmland was flooded, never mind half of the lakes' only purpose is for "recreation". It is a sad example of government largess that the entire Tennessee River is a vast string of lakes, almost to within a few miles of its source. And environmentalists still blithely pretend Big Governemnt knows best (unless of course it involves timber cutting in National Forests-they're against it and someday they'll figure out why).
58 posted on 12/11/2001 4:40:20 PM PST by Cleburne
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These people to a certain extent can be dealt with. First above all things the number one rule is do not threaten harm or injury to person or property. This is what they want you to do. Do it and they won the fight right then and there in the eyes of the law. If I had threatened them with such I would have met a Marshall the next day rather than the next in the supervision chain. Next thing is use you congressman. It doesn't matter if they are DEM or GOP they do not want the boat rocked in their district. Next is Witness's. Have you plenty of them if possible. If it is a neighborhood being displaced of land call the neighbors. These Bozo's got the same treatment we gave them from the rest of the neighborhood.

You may not be able to stop them. But then you don't have to let them take it without some cost and frustration. It is your right to try and get what you consider just and reasonable compensation as required under the constitution. Eminent Domain was actually meant for emergencies such as war and national interest and not urban renewal. The biggest fight with TVA has been trying to make them responsible for their actions. The problems we had didn't end there I had to go to the TVA Inspector Generals Office to have my soil reclaimed due to errosion.

To keep them from returning in the future for more so called clearing, I had to buy a herd of goats to browse the power line. The cut on the ridge is way to steep for a tractor and bush hog.

59 posted on 12/11/2001 5:37:10 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: editor-surveyor
When the cost of living increases, one feels it in their wallets for sure.
60 posted on 12/11/2001 6:25:55 PM PST by goldilucky
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