Serfs: About Your Privilige, Driving

[Focault's Pendulum]

bookmarked for later reading. My lawyer is gonna have a baby!!!!

[dighton]

If unlicensed drivers are recognized by other citizens and are seen to be driving on public roads, then other citizens shall be given the right to legally shoot them on sight in self defense.

Such a solution would balance your claimed absolute right to "travel" with my "right to life" and my "right to self defense". It would also be a great benefit to those citizens who can't get enough time off from work during deer season but still want to enjoy the thrill of the hunt.

Ha! Glad I dropped in for a look.

[Prism]

once you sign your name to the license, you have signed some of your rights away in exchange for the privelege of operating that vehicle on public roads.

Exactly right, under duress and/or fraud, and probably as a minor.

Every activity that does not harm or unreasonably endanger others is a right. Any other definition of rights is arbritrary, inconsistant and unsupportable. Automobile operation is not an inherently dangerous activity (if it IS, then why do all these people get to endanger me as a pedestrian?? Because they took a 20 question test and drove around the block once?)

Spare me.

[southern rock]

Simply put, our rights do not have to be listed in the constitution to exist.

Thank You. My point exactly.

[strela]

The post is a magnificent piece of work.

Feh. It is certainly a piece of something (as well as being spammed across two threads). It is simply more anonymous paranoia.

[Focault's Pendulum]

it is simply more anonymous paranoia.

Even paranoiac's have their enemies.

[William Terrell]

Do you understand the difference between a privilege granted by the state and a right regulated by the state under its police powers?

[gjenkins]

Every time I try to use gary when establishing an account, I get 'already used' try gary12397. I have never seen an _gary, and '_' is a valid character in just about every character system I have seen. I think I will try it from no on!

[gjenkins]

Judging by how often and the way the word 'right' is used, I can only conclude that we really don't have any 'rights'.

[telos]

" Drivers can voluntarilly take driving tests and prove their driving competency to the State or a private driver's education company. The State can then post the names of those drivers that prove driving competancy on a web page. If unlicensed drivers are recognized by other citizens and are seen to be driving on public roads, then other citizens shall be given the right to legally shoot them on sight in self defense."

Why does not your analysis apply to firearms, as well?

[Roscoe]

Seem slow this morning.

Try http://www.acfc.org/legal/lr-spoka.htm

[Zon]

Marine Inspector, is the job of law enforcement officers to protect citizens or enforce the laws?

[StriperSniper]

I think every law should be put up for a vote, and let the people decide if they want that law, be it State or Federal.

Pure democracy, I don't think so.

[Zon]

The problem now is special interest groups, and their money.

Certainly you will never admit in public (because Big brother government is your keeper/employer) that special interest groups and their money are the effect, and the cause is politicians (snake oil salesmen) putting their power up for sale in the first place -- whoring themselves. BTW, you still haven't answered the question: is the job of law enforcement officers to protect citizens or enforce the laws?

[gjenkins]

So they are not technically a 'special interest' group if they are the majority?

[Prism]

Automobiles are another matter. An untrained driver is very likely to kill or maim other citizens once he gets behind the wheel of an automobile that can travel at 85 MPH.

Ok. Forget the legal mumbo jumbo, Im going to repeat my last post:

Every activity that does not harm or unreasonably endanger others is a right. Any other definition of rights is arbritrary, inconsistant and unsupportable. Automobile operation is not an inherently dangerous activity (if it IS, then why do all these people get to endanger me as a pedestrian?? Because they took a 20 question test and drove around the block once?)

Spare me.

If driving is so dangerous, then why are people allowed to drink (0.08) and drive?

If driving is so dangerous, why are people allowed to drive after they DO get a DUI?

If driving is so dangerous, why am I allowed to keep my license my entire life without retesting?

If driving is so dangerous, why don't you have to piss in a cup when you get pulled over?

All these things are far more significant than me getting in a car and simply driving.

I am not saying the roads should be lawless, nor that driving rights cannot be taken from you.

I have objections to the (lawless) system as it is, it is all about money, not justice. It is about forfeiting your rights TO JUSTICE in order to function in a modern world.

[Hillary 666]

I'm fundamentally against licensing drivers because it doesn't help prevent Utah and Virginia people from driving like retarded monkeys on acid. I've heard the safety argument and I don't buy it. People cram for the test and then totally brain dump it after they pass.

In my locale, there is a disturbing number of people that are utterly baffled by 4-way stops. These are probably the same clowns that pinball from lane to lane without signalling or looking.

[PolyVinyl]

it is a privilige to answer
but auther is not unknowning
I know auther
he doe'snt have a licens
he drives in the dessert
sometimes he drives over cactuses
and gets a flat tire. Tee-hee
I want to start a freepathon for you
please everyone, we love our rights
I agree with whatinever it says here
1 dollar or 50 cents.
it dono't matter.
I will keep tracking of the money

[tpaine]

If you wish, you may buy a 90 foot sailboat and attempt to sail it around the Horn from New York to Alaska without any sailing training or license whatsoever. You will probably die but, as it is unlikely that you will ram and sink other people's boats and kill them as well, the State is willing to let you commit suicide if you so desire.

Automobiles are another matter. An untrained driver is very likely to kill or maim other citizens once he gets behind the wheel of an automobile that can travel at 85 MPH.

The same can be said about airplanes. When you plow your Piper Cub into a suburb because you do not now your alieron from a hole in the ground, you not only commit suicide but you are killing other innocent citizens.

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Your airplane example is, in actuality, more like the sailboat than autos. While there is a FAA licence, the chances of EVER being asked to show one to any offical is virtually nil unless/until you have an accident.

Private flying is essentially unpoliced. -- Like ocean sailing, you are a damn fool, and will rapidly suffer the consequences, if you sail or fly without learning the art.

And no scrap of paper from a 'licensing authority' means that you are actually qualified, any more than a drivers license makes me feel safe next to my peers on the freeway at 85.

Licensing is about power & control, not safety.