Posted on 09/08/2001 4:44:42 AM PDT by VinnyTex
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After the enactment of what was called the "Tariff of Abomination" in 1828, promoted by Henry Clay, the tax on imports ranged between 20-30%. It rose further in March 1861 when Lincoln, at the start of his presidency, signed the Morrill Tariff into law. This tax was far more onerous than the one forced on the American colonies by Britain in the 18th century.
He mentions the Morrill Tariff but why not point out that it wasn't passed until after 7 states had already rebelled? How can that be a factor in their decision if it was passed after the fact? And where is the part about tariffs falling steadily during the 1850's? I suppose he left that out because it didn't fit his agenda. Lokewise I'm sure he finds this quote from Alexander Stephens, soon to be confederate vice-president inconvenient as well. In an November 14, 1860 speech Stephens said,
"In 1832, when I was in college, South Carolina was ready to nullify or secede from the Union on this account. And what have we seen? The tariff no longer distracts the public councils. Reason has triumphed. The present tariff was voted for by Massachusetts and South Carolina. The lion and the lamb lay down together-- every man in the Senate and House from Massachusetts and South Carolina, I think, voted for it, as did my honorable friend himself...Yes, and Massachusetts, with unanimity, voted with the South to lessen them, and they were made just as low as Southern men asked them to be, and those are the rates they are now at."
How can tariffs be an issue if, as Mr. Stephens pointed out, the tariff rates where what southern politicians wanted them to be at?
...Fort Sumter, site of the customs house at Charleston.
Ever been to Charleston? I was stationed there on and off - mostly on - for about 9 years. Lovely town, very historical and I'm a history buff. A lot of walking tours. One of these tours will take you past a building on, I think, East Bay Street. It is the old customs house, built in the 1770's if memory serves, and used until about 1880. Except during the unplesantness of 1861-65, of course. So with this magnificent stone building right on the waterfront where the ships come in and the duties would be collected, what sense would it make to put it on Fort Sumter? None, because Sumter was a military reservation. There never was a customs house there. Not a single dollar of customs revenue was ever collected there. The statement has no basis in fact.
BS point number 2. Charleston militia took the bait and bombarded the fort on April 12, 1861.
Here is a proclemation issued by the confederate government on February 26, 1861 stating the need for the central government to take control of the situation at Charleston. The South Carolina militia didn't bombard Sumter, the confederate army did.
BS point number 3. Lincoln coerced the South to fire the first shots when, against the initial advice of most of his cabinet, he dispatched ships carrying troops and munitions to resupply Fort Sumter...
I always love this one. It wasn't your fault, Lincoln made you bombard the fort. OK, how? By trying to put troops in there? There were already troops there, why didn't you fire earlier? If he had put 500 or 1000 or 5000 more troops into Sumter would Charleston have been in any more danger? Would he have been able to invade the south, bottled up on that little island like that? Please. The south fired because they wanted to fire, they were looking for any excuse to fire. Please be man enough to admit that.
Your post is well researched and well thought out. There are also a number of interesting ideas in your dissertation (e.g. the improvements made in the Constitution adopted by the CSA). But your fundamental premise is tragically flawed. I refer you to the excellent writings of Publius as expressed in the Federalist Papers for a complete discussion of these matters. Pay special attention to the risks documented throughout history of overzealous belief in the virtues of factionalism. Publius makes a compelling case that history indicates that the result would be far different from the utopia of independent states you envision.
trek
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Lincoln was a tyrant. And the issues of slavery and seccession could have been handled better. But it ought to give you pause to find yourself aligned with Karl Marx on this question.
You should get banned for that you know?
So to did the federal Constitution and federal law. Article 1 Section 9 made the prohibition of the slave trade possible by 1808. The day it became lawful to do so the Congress passed legislation making it illegal. But, as we all know, that legislation was not 100% effective. In spite of government efforts to prevent it, thousands of Blacks were imported for slaves. And for the last 30 years of that trade where was the largest, most eager market for those slaves? The southern states. And who were the most eager buyers? The plantation owners. If the Federal government was unable to prevent the slave trade why should Mr. Miller think that the confederate government would be more effective? Why would southern slave traders be more inclined to obey the law just because it was in the confederate constitution? Why wouldn't the southern slave owners still want to import slaves, especially if Mr. Miller was right and their primary assets were losing value because of the prohibition? The simple fact is that Mr. Miller has absolutely no evidence that the prohibition on importing slaves would be any more effective under the confederacy as it was under the federal government.
And while on the subject of constitutions and slavery, how convenient of Mr. Miller to overlook Section 9 of the confederate constitution which said, " No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed." The confederate constitution protected slavery in a way that the federal constitution never did.
"They wrote a constitution in which each state should be free." This might look very attractive from our present situation, but one can imagine a scenario in which those "free states" were monstrously oppressive and libertarians looked towards federal authorities for relief. Replace the federal government with the states as unquestioned and absolute authorities and judges and you've simply changed the oppressor, not lifted the oppression.
Miller's view of the causes of the war, like Charles Adams's leaves out too much of what happened in the tumultuous years before the war. Taking Marx and Dickens as primary witnesses or testimonialists about the causes and nature of the war is perverse. What special knowledge of the situation in America did they have?
Every other country in the New World that had slaves, such as Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Cuba, Ecuador, Mexico, Peru, Uruguay, and Venezuela, freed them in the 19th century peacefully.
The answer for this is obvious. The United States had a significant segment of the country willing to go to war to protect the institution of slavery while the other countries mentioned did not. Had the south been more willing to work out a peaceful solution then the war could have been avoided. But instead they tried to tear the country apart in defense of slavery. The fault for that lies with the southern states.
Lincoln called up an army of 75,000 men to invade the seven southern states that had seceded and force them back into the Union.
Weeks before the south fired on Sumter and before Lincoln had issued his call for troops the confederate government had passed the necessary legislation to raise an army of 100,000 men. If their intentions were peaceful then why the need for such a large body of troops. Remember, at this time there had not been a single hostile act on the part of the federal government. Not a single seizure of a federal facility had been opposed. So why did the confederate administration feel the need to raise an army 6 or 7 times the size of the federal army? Why, unless they were preparing for war?
The Confederate lyrics to the song "Battle Cry of Freedom" read..."
Fair's fair. Let's also print that line from the real "Battle Cry of Freedom."
"The Union Forever
Hurrah, boys. Hurrah
Down with the traitors
And up with the star.
I like the real version better.
So what's the matter, Vinny? No response for "chicken shiiiit blue belly yankee" like myself? I should point out that I did all my posts without calling you a single name. You would probably strangle trying that so go ahead and respond using any slurs you want to. I wouldn't expect any different from the likes of you.
Don't you know New York City is an imperial capital built from the wealth of tribute from wherever the yankee traders have sent their gunboats?
The English kept the Irish down for CENTURIES but the Irish spirit didn't die. Indeed, the Irish are more autonomous than ever and more prosperous--naturally. You Yankees haven't even had your feet on the necks of the Southerners for a century and a half and already more and more are learning the truth about the lies that have been forced on Southerners for too long.
We'll see who gets the last laugh, Northern Aggressor!
It's not exactly comforting to know that our government is a mafia - you can join, but you can't leave.
A piece of unsolicited advice. If you're going to be so smug in your self-assuredeness, and certainly before you accuse others of spreading lies, you might want to do your homework first.
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