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Russians Now Openly Exporting Weapons For Terrorists. Buy Them On Web!
AP friend in Moscow ^ | MB26- Vanity

Posted on 09/07/2001 9:39:17 AM PDT by MindBender26

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To: The Shootist
re: Killing tyrants...

The problem is, once when I was trying to sink a rather easy 4 foot put on a very nice golf course in Montego Bay, some Rasta-man local who thought I was a tyrant because of the color of my skin and the fact that I had the means to fly to Janmica, decided to let go a mag of 7.62 X 39 from his AK from about 100 meters off. First round went into the green, second into my rented golf bag, (caddy soiled his pants) and all the rest were way overhead.

Still, very bad for the concentration. I didn't make another par for two weeks!

21 posted on 09/07/2001 11:08:35 AM PDT by MindBender26
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To: MindBender26
. I didn't make another par for two weeks!

I can see his point, and yours. Too bad you weren't similarly armed. Oh! I doubt your assailant was truly a 'Rastamon'. People who smoke as much dope as they do don't get angry enough to fire weapons at people they don't know.

Frankly we are "tyrants" in many parts of the world. Hatred for colonialism runs deep. The "have-nots" usually have no love lost for the "haves", either. As it should be. Maybe you should vacation in Highlands, NC or Jackson Hole, WY next time.

You seem to have gone out of your way to not concede my point.

22 posted on 09/07/2001 11:30:00 AM PDT by The Shootist
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To: The Shootist
My father once did some work for Trojiho (bad spelling) Old Dominican Republic boss. Sec of State told Dad, "Yes he is a dictator, but he'es OUR dictator." In the world or real politic, there are friends and enemies, and I don't want my enemies to have good weapons.
23 posted on 09/07/2001 12:22:40 PM PDT by MindBender26
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To: MindBender26
Do you support the recent UN initiative on controlling small arms?
24 posted on 09/07/2001 1:36:25 PM PDT by Britton J Wingfield
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To: Britton J Wingfield
I love good gun control!!!!

To me good gun control is being able to hit my target at 600 meters from the prone position!

Thank you Drill Sergeant Joe. B. Frick!

25 posted on 09/07/2001 1:50:36 PM PDT by MindBender26
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To: MindBender26
I don't want my enemies to have good weapons.

I understand, but you actually don't have any enemies (at least as foreign nationals go). I know, I know, terrorists and anyone who faces the US military.

It wouldn't matter if your "enemies" had good weapons if you were not in their line of fire. It would also not matter if your enemies were your allies or, at least neutral towards you. I submit to you that since WWII, and especially since the "end of the cold war", the US has had far too many military interventions. Perhaps, in the future, we can manage to have less.

Regardless. Weapons in the hands of the People help them achieve liberty, or at least makes it hard on the tyrants. The tyrant in this case could be the local 'sheriff', warlord, godfather, commissar or US 'Peacekeepers' or Embassy. We (the US) are not untainted or saints either. Liberty is messy. Jefferson knew this.

If we hold that the 2nd Amendment is good for our freedom, Freedom that we got for NOTHING, then we must believe that the same rights (God given, remember) will benefit the rest of humanity, many of whom will have to fight and die for their freedom.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. How willing are you to support a US government which oppresses people in the name of "our" interests? Wouldn't we be better off (they certainly would be) if we left them to their own lives rather than supporting their disarmament? Are we telling them that they don't deserve a basic, "God given", right to bear arms?

Situational ethics?

Heck I know these are tough questions.

26 posted on 09/07/2001 2:12:27 PM PDT by The Shootist
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To: MindBender26

Let's see... "Add to shopping cart"... Click

There we go.

27 posted on 09/07/2001 2:23:37 PM PDT by RogueIsland
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Been going on for years, and for several years on the internet.

There are companies with catalogs that can arm your rag-tag-and-bob-tail rebels for $125 per man (Bolt-action weapon,5o rounds of FMJ, Pants, shirt, Boots, Hat, Shoulder bag or backpack) to equipping your man in real modern style as a member of a heavy-weapons-equipped platoon backed by a battery of smart 105's, towed by jeeps with caissons full of ammo. Each guy gets an FN or AK, Changes of clothing including UNDERWEAR, that plus the back-up might run you $7500 per man.

Waddaya think, the FARC goes to Wal-Mart? Seeya later. Test-driving a MiG 23 tonight.

28 posted on 09/07/2001 3:06:03 PM PDT by Francohio
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To: The Shootist
In the US we respect this right by allowing ownership of firearms. All I am saying is that if this is good policy for us then I reckon it is good for the world.

I've always said that the only form of foreign aid the US should give is an AK47, a bag of mags, and a case of ammo to everyone 18 or over who asks. Or the equivalent in some other weapons system. Then, let them settle their problems peaceably, or kill each other off. In either case, we're quit of them. And at a total cost to the American taxpayer of less than $100 per head.

This sounds awfully cold-hearted, but fewer people die in wars where both sides are well-armed, than in massacres, where one side is always totally disarmed. The Colt revolver wasn't called "the equalizer" for nuthin'.

29 posted on 09/07/2001 3:32:02 PM PDT by 300winmag
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To: RogueIsland
Owning a ZU-23 (?) means never having to complain about those low flying Black Helicopters again!!!
31 posted on 09/07/2001 6:51:42 PM PDT by MindBender26
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To: 300winmag
Like your idea. Keeps them busy. Also, for those incidents where some low-level intervention in in our national interest, how about an American Legion. It would be comprised of men and women wanting to "soldier" their way to US citizenship, (as opposed to the current give away plan) Very much like what we did after WWII when many ex-Nazis, White Russians, Poles, etc.

My favorite was a Afrika Corps tank mechanic who was captured, then help in West Texas under rules of war that specify prisoners must be held in area that is close to conditions where they were captured (Libya-Amarillo, etc)

Like many German POWs, he was paroled into the community to work. Had a thriving business as auto mechanic in a Canyon, Texas gas station. (all our mechaincs were off to war!)

Spent nights in POW cage, days at the gas station. (Heck, had he tried to escape, the area is so flat the guards at the gate could have seen him for 3 days!)

He married an Amarillo girl, but then after war was over, he was supposed to be sent back.... to what was now East Germany, rulled with an iron hand by the USSR.

But that was not to be. It was a pity. A car fell off a lift and killed Karl. Covered by the local paper, official police reports, official autopsy by the local coroner, official photographs, even a big funeral complete with graveside service and headstone. Services were covered by the Amarillo Globe News and copies of all the paperwork sent to War Department, etc. Can't send back a burried body back to Germany, now can we?

It's such a nice burial plot, Karl plans to be laid out there when he finally does pass on!!!!

PS, He parties at the VFW on a regular basis. After, he is a Veteren of a Foreign War!

32 posted on 09/08/2001 8:33:10 AM PDT by MindBender26
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