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Abortions On Christians
The Baptist Bible Trumpet ^ | September 1 ,2001 | Steven Mays

Posted on 09/06/2001 10:56:14 AM PDT by Church Lady

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Amen Pastor Mays .
1 posted on 09/06/2001 10:56:14 AM PDT by Church Lady
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To: Church Lady
Couldn't a lot of this have been prevented if the pulpits were not so weak on the things that lead up to abortion? One
Independent Baptist Church close by recently took its youth group to a theme park to attend the park swimming pool.

                 Sperm in the water caused pregnancy hence abortion?

The same group will preach against the sin of abortion but will sponsor a trip where the youth will spend hours filling their minds
with nudity.

            Oh.  Swimming suits are nudity.  Or they don't
            keep out the spermy water well enough.

2 posted on 09/06/2001 11:00:32 AM PDT by gcruse
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To: Church Lady
Well that's a problem, isn't it? That modesty as a value has disappeared in American culture?

You have Britney Spears and Jessica Simpson professing to be Christians, yet dressing in a way that would have gotten them run down to the stationhouse 30 years ago.

There aren't any modest bathing suits available for young women (and few for young men) - to cite the pool example. Early Christians used to shun cultural events and activities which exhibited immorality - namely gladiatorial entertainment and festivals. These are analogous to today's shootemup movies and most pop concerts.

3 posted on 09/06/2001 11:05:55 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Church Lady
Before you start lauding "evangelical Christian" teachings, you need to consider that BACs are more likely than average to divorce, have extramarital affairs, have abortions, drink and use drugs.

Sorry, but that's just a fact. And it is a fact that, thankfully, evangelical ministers are finally beginning to acknowledge and deal with.

But until you have people WALKING THE WALK instead of just TALKING THE TALK, you're not going to have any sort of a phase-shift in the way this society lives it's collective life.

4 posted on 09/06/2001 11:06:02 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Church Lady
This might lead one to believe that a lot of people who profess to be Christians, aren't.
5 posted on 09/06/2001 11:09:36 AM PDT by babylonian
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To: Church Lady
You're not Sister Taffy, are you?
6 posted on 09/06/2001 11:09:39 AM PDT by sonofdemnomo
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To: Church Lady
This article was also in The Baptist Bible Trumpet by Greg Allgood

Blessing or a Curse

When a couple announces that they are going to have their first child, both family and friends excitedly congratulate them on their future blessing. The same holds true for the second child, but when the third, fourth, fifth, etc. child is announced a strange phenomenon begins to take place. The joy and enthusiasm from those same friends and family members changes into concern and even admonition. It has made me curious - how many children does it take before they are no longer a blessing but a curse? It is interesting that if a child were to become deathly ill, any normal parent, no matter what their income, would give all that they had in order to see their child get well. Yet many of these same parents would give you a limit to the number of children they would like to have. I can't help but wonder - are children a blessing or a curse?

Rather than get the latest opinion poll on this question, why not consult our standard the Word of God. We could list many testimonies from Bible personalities to show that they believed children were a blessing from God (e.g. Genesis 33:5). Yet the clearest and loudest testimony can be found in the familiar Psalm 127: Children are the heritage of the LORD, the fruit of the womb is His reward, happy is the man who has his quiver full of them. We can say dogmatically that God considers children to be a blessing and not a curse. Notice also, that according to Scripture, a full quiver is better than an empty or even partially full quiver.

So, how many children make a full quiver? This can only be determined by God, for it is not in our power to conceive a child without His blessing (Genesis 1:28). In other words, God is in control of the womb. When Rachel complained to Jacob about being barren he said, "Am I in God's stead, who hath withheld from thee the fruit of the womb?" The Patriarchs knew that God is the One who opens and closes the womb. It is very important that we grasp this truth: you cannot have more children than God wants to bless you with. Job had exactly seven more sons and three more daughters giving him precisely twice the number of sons and daughters he began with, fitting perfectly with God's blessing him with double of everything he originally had.

Why is it then that the attitude of most Christians is so contrary to the Word of God?

Unbelief Many believers simply lack the faith it takes to trust God to give them the number of children they need. They think that without birth control they will have too many children or that they will have them too close together. Have you ever noticed that many missionary families tend to have lots of children? Perhaps this is because most missionaries have had to learn to trust God in so many areas of their life, and therefore they have less difficulty trusting Him with the number of children in their quiver.

Selfishness. There is no doubt that children are expensive, they require a lot of time and work to raise them, and often parents must make certain sacrifices for their children. Some believers would simply rather spend their time and money on themselves.

What a shame. If only they could realize how great a blessing children are, and the tremendous investment they can be. Truly they are as "arrows are in the hand of a mighty man". I have never seen this more clearly illustrated than in the Nichols family, missionaries to Brazil. Bro. Nichols involves all of his children in his ministry and they are a real blessing everywhere they go. His older children are even soul winners, multiplying his effectiveness in the work.

Laziness. Some believers are too lazy to properly nurture and train their children.

Some do not take their children with them outside the home and so they never learn how to behave in public. They end up with children that no one else wants to be around-including the parents. If this is you, don't blame God because you have turned his blessing into a curse.

As a final comment, those who choose to have an abortion obviously see children as a curse. How can we as Christians turn these people from choosing abortion when so many believers by their actions show that they, too, think children are a curse? In their eyes, what is the difference between preventing children with birth control and terminating children before they are born? It produces the same result and is derived from a similar attitude. It seems to me that the salt has really lost its savor in this area! Let's get our hearts right in this matter - children are a blessing from God.

Greg Allgood (father of five)

7 posted on 09/06/2001 11:13:43 AM PDT by Church Lady
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To: Illbay
But until you have people WALKING THE WALK instead of just TALKING THE TALK, you're not going to have any sort of a phase-shift in the way this society lives it's collective life.

I could not agree more.

8 posted on 09/06/2001 11:16:41 AM PDT by Church Lady
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To: Church Lady
It's a problem. Some "Christians" have an immature understanding of their faith and I will just guess that the kind of education we have in this country plays a role in that, along with the media propaganda.

When people fornicate, they're not thinking about the glory of God. And the women in crisis pregnancies are not viewing their unborn child in the image of God. We need Christian education, not more secular humanism.

9 posted on 09/06/2001 11:17:30 AM PDT by Soylent-Green-modernitymonster
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To: babylonian
This might lead one to believe that a lot of people who profess to be Christians, aren't.

Hard to tell sometimes .

10 posted on 09/06/2001 11:19:04 AM PDT by Church Lady
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To: wideawake
Britney Spears professes to be a Christian?! Awright, call me an old-fashioned prude stick-in-the-mud but I put that on about the same level as Bill Clinton having prayer breakfasts and consulting religious leaders and so on...
11 posted on 09/06/2001 11:20:32 AM PDT by maxwell
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To: Soylent-Green-modernitymonster
It's a problem. Some "Christians" have an immature understanding of their faith and I will just guess that the kind of education we have in this country plays a role in that, along with the media propaganda. When people fornicate, they're not thinking about the glory of God. And the women in crisis pregnancies are not viewing their unborn child in the image of God. We need Christian education, not more secular humanism.

Yes, more Christian education is needed .Also needed is more 7/24 Christian living.

12 posted on 09/06/2001 11:22:34 AM PDT by Church Lady
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To: Church Lady
The attitude of Christian's is not contrary to the word of God. I believe you meant to say professing or pretending Christians. "he who says he knows me and does not as I say is a liar"
13 posted on 09/06/2001 11:23:29 AM PDT by candeee
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To: Church Lady
I wonder if you have done something new with your hairstyle? Your posting style is the same. Many Freepers are against abortion for very good reasons. I certainly am. If you are Sister Taffy come back as Church Lady, your posts always include dumb ideas about what every Christian should believe. Swimming with members of the opposite sex because it might lead to abortion is just the type of silliness Sister Taffy likes to post.

Yes, you might get some Freepers who agree with your ideas about what every Christian should believe. If your supporters studied your posts carefully they would discover that you are just mocking Christian beliefs. You sit back and laugh like an intolerant liberal phoney who has pulled a fast one. Some of us are on to your game.

14 posted on 09/06/2001 11:26:53 AM PDT by sonofdemnomo
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To: Church Lady
bump
15 posted on 09/06/2001 11:32:07 AM PDT by Soylent-Green-modernitymonster
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To: Church Lady
People first and foremost vote for anyone who promises to make life easier. Since the Democrats are well known for promising giveaways and freebies, this is not a surprise.
16 posted on 09/06/2001 11:40:30 AM PDT by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: Church Lady, anniegetyourgun,
Dear Lady, I appreciate the spirit in which this composition is posted. Yes, there are true Christians (I know some whom I believe to be born again, in fact) who vote for Democratics. The reason is ideological doublethink, IMHO. In the church this is called "lack of discernment." There is a strong, although surprising, disconnect between the teachings of Christ, which those in this category profess, and how they think about the role of government and vote. I have found that love - even for these - is the only effective means of reaching their hearts. Accusation or even reasoning are futile tools in changing their misguided political opinions. I pray for them. I bake them cookies. I share good music with them. I talk with them...gently. I do see progress in some, and I haven't been at it that long, so perhaps with time (and the extreme grace of God) there is hope!

I seriously question Planned Parenthood's numbers on Christians who have abortions. Many who may check off a box on a form in the office of the abortion mill that says, "Born Again Christian," or "Evangelical," or "Protestant" are ChINOS - that is, Christians In Name Only. They really DON'T KNOW that they are not born again, and are often simply recording what their parents were, or the religion they admired their grandmother for. The folks at Planned Parenthood are not exactly unbiased pollsters, either, are they?

The Pastor is correct that sexual sin is not the end of the adult sin ladder. This sin, like all others, will doubtless lead to more sin in the unsaved, abortion being but one of many possibilities...Lying comes to mind, as does the recent evil with Condidit. I think there are precious few actual Christians in this category. In that respect alone do I disagree with your fine post.

For those truly alive in Christ, who do stumble and fall, the same forgiveness, love and mercy that brought them to their Savior to begin with will be there for them again...and again...and again. No chain forged on earth can bind for long a citizen of Heaven's Kingdom. Amen and LOLuv.

17 posted on 09/06/2001 11:42:23 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Dead Corpse
For those truly alive in Christ, who do stumble and fall, the same forgiveness, love and mercy that brought them to their Savior to begin with will be there for them again...and again...and again. No chain forged on earth can bind for long a citizen of Heaven's Kingdom. Amen and LOLuv.

Bump for you, new friend.

19 posted on 09/06/2001 11:45:14 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: babylonian
Yes, and that is more than likely a very true sentiment. I have encountered many who claim to be "Christian" or claim to live a "Christian life", but who really have no idea of what it actually means to be a Christian (or how to become one.) It feels good to associate with the Christian religion for many people, but when the rubber meets the road, they simply do not want to encumber their sinful nature with the feeling that it is wrong.
20 posted on 09/06/2001 11:49:31 AM PDT by Abe Froman
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