The Grand Deception

Worldnet Daily ^ | 6 SEP 01 | J.R. Nyquist

[Poohbah]

And I'm saying that that theory is BS. The evidence offered to support the theory was incredibly weak. Nyquist has his agenda, and it's apparently one that requires an everlasting external threat to justify internal repression. Sorry to see you have bought into it.

[tomakaze]

Whatever.

[Alexandre]

Good point with one exception:
...the greatest threat to Russians were the Russian Communists

Replace Russian by Soviet in both positions. Communism was not and is not an ethnic concept. The Russian Communists term is a very convinient for those why ally with Georgian, Azeri, Albanian and even Belorussian communists - once it helps the agenda.

About the posted piece - crap. In early eighties majority of the communist party was comprised of people who carried zero ideology but needed a 'membership' for career pursuit. Once this happened - communist movement in the USSR was doomed to fade.

[Alexandre]

Why are Social Studies teachers so leftist?

Do you realy think that they are all expatriots from the USSR?

Actually, most of Russian immigrants are more conservative then Americans.

[Stavka2]

Well obvious to everyone but the CIA (surprise, surprise).

[Stavka2]

Got news for you, Russia is taking her rightful place as to what she should have been if the Tsar had survived the communists lost. Soon it will be to her bossom that freedom lovers and capitalists will flock, maybe as the last bastion against the NWO crowd.

[Economist_MA]

Actually, most of Russian immigrants are more conservative then Americans.

Needs repeating. Hard to find more aggressive anti-commies than people who actually had to live in the USSR and left.

[Stavka2]

Umm, bud, you probably haven't been to Russia in quite a while. Last year agricultural production sored 100% and the legislature coming through now will create the ability to buy land, which will only further push competition and increase yield. Since Putin took power growth rates have been: 5% '99, 8% '00, 6% '01. Russia has a 13% flat tax rate and 24% corporate tax rate (all much lower then US). State employees are getting paid on time and pensioners get their (albait measly since inflation of Yeltsin era) checks. Inflation is low and keeping steady. Industrial output is up and growing. A Russian oil company Lukoil now owns 1300 US gas stations and plans on building a refinery in the US, and buying a large chunk of Helenistic Oil. Boeing and several Russian airframe makers are now making airbuses for Europe. Russian Space agencies/companies have commercialized space (some one finally had to) and Ann Rand is taught in schools on economics. Stores are full and variety is there.

[Stavka2]

By the way, tax revenue was up X3 last year and X5 this year and 1/2 the IMF loans are paid off ($9 billion).

[Economist_MA]

I have been in Moscow in March, and my sister is running a few companies in Bulgaria and keeping me updated.

Russia is in better shape now than it was four years ago, which was almost inevitable after hitting rock bottom and defaulting on their government bonds. They simply couldn't go much lower without imploding.

The (measly) growth rates you post may well be correct, don't have time to check right now. Taking these into account, industrial output in Russia is now how much of 1990 levels? 30%? 50%? You tell me. And the Russian tax system is almost irrelevant since tax collection is still a mess.

Have they started feeding their conscripts by now? What's the situation like outside of Moscow?

Bottom line: Russia managed to pull itself back from the brink three year ago, and may now be on the right track to slowly creep back from 3rd world status. Declaring it the mastermind of a grand conspiracy to scare little children still makes me wonder about your agenda.

[tomakaze]

and it's apparently one that requires an everlasting external threat to justify internal repression. Sorry to see you have bought into it.

Your evidently getting something out of this that flew right under my radar.
But then again, I like the John Birch Society - although I find their "support the police they can do no wrong" stuff to be completely whacked.

I take it the folks who've found this offensive are of the "Joe McCarthy was a nut" camp, and probably thought there was actually more than a pesos worth of difference between Bush The Younger and Algore.
Whatever.

Here's something else that'll be sure to piss some people off/make them laugh/or whatever... ( entirely my opinion based on the way these people (commie types) historicly have done things.)
The Chechnya thing was basicly a training exercise for the Red Army. They now have battle hardened veterans, as to our... uh... what we got. They may not be much, and training standards have gone to hell (notable exeption being the marine corps), but they're coed and, boy they sure as hell are chock full of self esteem, what with their newly minted, chinese made, un-earned black berets and all...
Naw I suppose that's just inconceivable, I mean surely nobody could be that cold and calculating - even people who refer to routine mass murder as "liquidations".

[tomakaze]

Do you realy think that they are all expatriots from the USSR?
I doubt that's what he meant.

Actually, most of Russian immigrants are more conservative then Americans.
Yes, they are (the folks I know personally anyway).

[tomakaze]

Got news for you, Russia is taking her rightful place as to what she should have been if the Tsar had survived the communists lost. Soon it will be to her bossom that freedom lovers and capitalists will flock, maybe as the last bastion against the NWO crowd.

I sure as hell wish I could believe that. I think Neil Smith had something to that effect in one of his books. (either "Pallas" or "the Forge" books)

[Stavka2]

I'm not declaring any conspiracy, if you read anything I posted you'd be the wiser of that. Industrial output is down, true, but to compare it to the Soviet Union is ludicrous. 1st Russia is smaller, minus Ukraine and Belaruss. Secondly, Soviet output was mostly on paper, as each level of the bureacracy inflated the numbers to make themselves look better. Measly growth rates of 8%? You're an economist? The US during its super decade of growth in the '90s barely reached 5% on a good year. 8% growth in an economy is amazing, anything much higher and you are also facing run away inflation as a possibility, otherwise known as hyper inflation. Lastly, if the West hadn't raped Russia, under the blind eye of Yeltsin, there wouldn't be half this problem.

Like it or not, but tax collection is becoming efficient. That happens when money starts flowing in and the collectors and police start getting paid. Bulgaria is an IMF basket case while Russia has told the IMF to bite the bullet and get the hell out.

If things are soooo bad, then why is Moscow (and every other city) suffering (for the 1st time) grid lock auto traffic and having to rebuild/widen all the major roads?

[exmarine]

Got news for you, Russia is taking her rightful place as to what she should have been if the Tsar had survived the communists lost. Soon it will be to her bossom that freedom lovers and capitalists will flock, maybe as the last bastion against the NWO crowd.

Pipedream. Russia is for all extent and purposes, a virtueless society run by a corrupt elite. Why would anyone flock there?

[Aerial]

Making sport of these kinds of posts is the only weak argument some have. And most immature.

[Stavka2]

And those people would be whom? The Stalinists that are all dead...well with the exception of the two close American allies in Georgia and Abzerbazahn. If anything, it is the US that acts like the world bully. I'm wasting breath on you, you are like the religious fanatics, forever waiting for the end that doesn't come. Waste your life on this stupidity if you want. I've better things to do.

[tomakaze]

Why would anyone flock there?

a self destructive preference for pleasant fantasy over harsh reality?

[Stavka2]

Yup, all those souless atheists that are packing the churchs every Sunday, Saints day and any other day there is service. You know homosexuality has never been legal in Russia....but in the "I'm gay and proud of it USA" though... As for taxes 13% flat federal and 24% corporate...sure does make an inviting change from 30% and about 50% respectively.

[Stavka2]

Bump