Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

The Grand Deception
Worldnet Daily ^ | 6 SEP 01 | J.R. Nyquist

Posted on 09/06/2001 10:11:16 AM PDT by tomakaze

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 81-100101-120121-140141-152 next last
To: Stavka2
He should've put the tinfoil shiny side out...
121 posted on 09/06/2001 6:20:45 PM PDT by Poohbah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 119 | View Replies]

To: tomakaze
Consider the Czech Republic as an example. Having entered NATO, it is yet controlled by the old communists who are waiting for a signal from Moscow. That's all it will take for them to reverse the changes that have taken place since 1989.

I am not sure how to parse this sentence. If he means that NATO had something to do with the country sliding left then he is more right than if he is using NATO as an insignia of American Interests. The Czechs had the closest thing in Europe to a libertarian government under Vaclav Klaus, and their economy was the fastest growing (except for Slovakia's -- but nobody wanted to count them). That was until Mad Albright came to town and convinced the president and parliament that they would have to raise taxes in order to have a chance at joining the International Community. She told them that they would have to double their defense spending.

122 posted on 09/06/2001 6:22:01 PM PDT by eniapmot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: tomakaze
I don't know who this Mrs. Catalan is, but she hasn't said anything earth-shattering here.
123 posted on 09/06/2001 6:23:44 PM PDT by eniapmot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: tomakaze
After checking, it appears that this "important essay" of Mrs. Catalan is about Lunev (or taken from Lunev).
124 posted on 09/06/2001 6:28:06 PM PDT by eniapmot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dorben
I just meant it is easier for some to make sport (fun) of these kind of posts (articles) than it is to actually address them. I was agreeing with you.
125 posted on 09/06/2001 6:33:34 PM PDT by Aerial
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 93 | View Replies]

To: Stavka2
Yeah, that's right. Try to put words in my mouth.
That's one heck of an inferiority complex ya got goin' there.
Perhaps if we U.S. taxpayers just send your overlords a few $billion more, you can get it treated.
Heck you may even be able to send Poobah some Imodium A-D to sprinkle on his keyboard (if you have any left).
126 posted on 09/06/2001 6:44:29 PM PDT by michigander
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 117 | View Replies]

To: Aerial
Yes , you are correct . I see that often , folks poking fun or dancing around something . I think it is called being pc -) . I understand that in any large group of people cliques will be formed . status and image never impressed me . I do think that you are on to something , and perhaps we may go to FReepmail . No harm done , aerial .
127 posted on 09/06/2001 7:17:29 PM PDT by Ben Bolt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 125 | View Replies]

To: michigander
Yes all those billions and billions with their 30% interests that the IMF charges...to bad for you $9 out of $18 billion have already been paid back. Next crapy arguement, please.
128 posted on 09/06/2001 7:31:42 PM PDT by Stavka2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 126 | View Replies]

To: Stavka2
Re your #96: yea, verily yea.
129 posted on 09/07/2001 12:41:03 AM PDT by rightofrush
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 96 | View Replies]

To: Poohbah
. Looks like you're dispensing BS.. Looks like you're dispensing BS.

Anyone who pretends that Isreal can do no wrong and really loves us an ally; anyone who thinks that nobody and no gobal intersets do not pull GW's strings, is kneedeep in BS of their own making.

130 posted on 09/07/2001 12:47:07 AM PDT by rightofrush
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 101 | View Replies]

To: Stavka2
I simply stated the truth. If you don't like it, that's too bad. Being "Orthodox" doesn't make anyone special - it's just another denomination. I don't care what your denomination is - if you are not trusting in Christ, then you are spiritually dead.

European Christianity is an empty shell - been there lately? Apparently not. In fact, Europe is a post-Christian society; and America is headed in that direction. Fact: Africa has more Christians than Europe or North America.

131 posted on 09/07/2001 6:50:18 AM PDT by exmarine
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 94 | View Replies]

To: Alexandre
Oh those afterthoughts of mine are always meant to be a sarcastic joke. Don't take them too seriously.

Communisim, by the Marxist definition, never existed. There was no "withering away of the state" due to the "contradictions inherent in capitalism." There was no grand coming together of the proletariat to build a better society. Those are utopian no-places.

All communist states were and are examples of despotism. It is the all powerful government ordering who will do what when. Lennin, Stalin, Mao and Castro didn't really believe any of that nonsense about making the peoples lives any better, they cared only about obtaining power and holding onto it. Communisim extolls the state and the many with the individual being unimportant and disposable. What better mask for a dictator to wear?

What does this have to do with the topic here? Simple: communist dictatorships, the ones who could conceivably mount such secret plans, can exist only by supressing the rights of the individuals. The less free the individual, the more power to the state. Only an obscenely powerful state could scheme as the author of that article imagines.

Look at Russia (and the other states of the former Soviet Union and Eastern Block) and what do you see? They are either in disarray (little surprise considering what they are coming out of) or are embracing freedom and reform. Russia, as others in this thread have pointed out, has a lower income tax rate that the U.S. (look what's happening in Ireland to get an idea of where this will lead and Russia has more natural resources) and has enacted into law the ability to buy and sell land. If they get a Bill of Rights on the books they will be real competition. (And China will then see you as the threat rather than us.)

In short, despot states are a threat to us free democracies are not. You have to have your aluminum deflector beanie on too tight to think the Russians are as unfree as they were seventeen years ago.

NaW.
(It's 2001 not 1984...)

132 posted on 09/07/2001 6:50:27 AM PDT by SodiumWarthog
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 107 | View Replies]

To: Poohbah #108
Golitsyn defected in 1961... how the guy could get ahold of what would have been the MOST secret and sensitive document in the USSR in 1987?

You know, they all passed through remote mind-reading training. Remember the Tunguska 'meteorite' crash? Since than, Russia posesses an alien super-telepatic hectopus (like an octopus, but with 16 tentacles) which trains Russian and Soviet spies and agents. The creature is keeped in secret even from the Politburo...

</just kidding>

Tin foil hats off!

133 posted on 09/07/2001 8:13:04 AM PDT by Alexandre
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 108 | View Replies]

To: Alexandre, Poohbah
Do you trust runaway KGB officer? Just two points: Guy looks for cash: He can say whatever he wants -
Golitsyn may have an agenda - return of communist rule in Russia/USSR. Boosting mutual mutual hostility

Both are possible. I wonder though, when and how much, if anything, he made from his books.

I have no way of verifying the accuracy of any of it, and sorry for the quick cut and paste, but:

Anatoly Golitsyn


New Lies For Old

The Communist strategy of deception and Disinformation

An ex-KGB officer warns how communist deception threatens survival of the West
Dodd, Mead & Company, 1984, 412 pp., $15

Editors' Foreword



Very rarely disclosures of information from behind the Iron Curtain throw new light on the roots of communist thought and action and challenge accepted notions on the operation of the communist system. We believe that this book does both these things. It is nothing if not controversial. It rejects conventional views on subjects ranging fro Khrushchev's overthrow to Tito's revisionism, from Dubchek's liberalism to Ceausecu's independence, and from the dissident movement to the Sino-Soviet split. The author's analysis has many obvious implications for Western policy. It will not be readily accepted by those who have for long been committed to opposing points of view. But we believe that the debates it is likely to provoke will lead to a deeper understanding of the nature of the threat from international communism and, perhaps, to a firmer determination to resist it.

The author's services to the party and the KGB and the unusually long periods he spent in study, mainly in the KGB. but also with the University of Marxism-Leninism and the Diplomatic School, make the author uniquely qualified as a citizen of the West to write about the subjects covered in this book.

He was born near Poltava, in the Ukraine, in 1926. He was thus brought up as a member of the postrevolutionary generation. From 1933 onward he lived in Moscow. He joined the communist youth movement (Komsomol) at the age of fifteen while he was a cadet in military school. He became a member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU) in 1945 while studying at the artillery school for officers at Odessa.

In the same year he entered military counterintelligence. On graduation from the Moscow school of military counterespionage in 1946, he joined the Soviet intelligence service. While working in its headquarters he attended evening classes at the University of Marxism-Leninism, from which he graduated in 1948. From 1948 to 1950 he studied in the counterintelligence faculty of the High Intelligence School; also, between 1949 and 1952 he completed a correspondence course with the High Diplomatic School.

In 1952 and early 1953 he was involved, with a friend, in drawing up a proposal to the Central Committee on the reorganization of Soviet intelligence. The proposal included suggestions on the strengthening of counterintelligence, on the wider use of the satellite intelligence services, and on the reintroduction of the "activist style" into intelligence work. In connection with this proposal, he attended a meeting of the Secretariat chaired by Stalin and a meeting of the Presidium chaired by Khrushchev, Brezhnev, and Bulganin.

For three months in 1952-52 the author worked as a head of section in the department of the Soviet intelligence service responsible for counterintelligence service responsible for counterespionage against the United States. In 1953 he was posted to Vienna, where he served for two years under cover as a member of the apparat of the Soviet High Commission. For the first year he worked against Russian emigres, and for the second against British intelligence. In 1954 he was elected to be a deputy secretary of the party organization in the KGB residency in Vienna, numbering seventy officers. On return to Moscow he attended the KGB Institute, now the KGB Academy, as a full-time student for four years, graduation from there with a law degree in 1959. As a student of the institute and a s party member, he was will placed to follow the power struggle in the Soviet leadership that was reflected in secret party letters, briefings, and conferences.

From 1959 to 1060, at a time when a new long-range policy for the bloc was being formulated and the KGB was being reorganized to play its part in it, he served as a senior analyst in the NATO section of the Information Department of the Soviet intelligence service. He was then transferred to Finland, where, under cover as vice-consul in the Soviet embassy in Helsinki, he worked on counterintelligence matters until his break with the regime in December 1961.

By 1956 he was already beginning to be disillusioned with the Soviet system. The Hungarian events of that year intensified his disaffection. He concluded that the only practical way to fight the regime was from abroad and that, armed with his inside knowledge of the KGB, he would be able to do so effectively. Having his decision, be began systematically to elicit and commit to memory information that he thought would be relevant and valuable to the West. The adoption of the new aggressive long-range communist policy precipitated his decision to break with the regime. He felt that the necessity of warning the West of the new dimensions of that threat that it was facing justified him in abandoning his country and facing the personal sacrifices involved. His break with the regime was a deliberate and long-premeditated political act. Immediately on his arrival in the United States, he sought to convey a warning to the highest authorities in the U.S. government on the new political dangers to the Western world stemming from the harnessing of all the political resources of the communist bloc, including its intelligence and security services, to the new long-range policy.

From 1962 onward the author devoted a large proportion of his time to the study of communist affairs as an outside observer reading both the communist and Western press. He began work on this book. While working on the book he continued to bring to the attention of American and other Western authorities his views on the issues considered in it, and in 1968 allowed American and British officials to read the manuscript as it then stood. emphasis mine Although the manuscript has since been enlarged to cover the events of the last decade and revised as the underlying communist strategy became clearer to the author, the substance of the argument has changed little since 1968. Owing to the length of the manuscript, a substantial part of it has been held over for publication at a later date.

With few exceptions, those Western officials who were aware of the views expressed in the manuscript, especially on the Sino-Soviet split, rejected them. In fact, over the years it became increasingly clear to the author that there was no reasonable hope of his analysis of communist affairs being seriously considered in Western official circles. At the same time, he became further convinced that events continued to confirm the validity of his analysis, that the threat from international communism was not properly understood, and that this threat would shortly enter a new and more dangerous phase. The author therefore decided to publish his work with the intention of alerting a wider sector of world public opinion to the dangers as he sees them, in the hope of stimulating a new approach to the study of communism and of provoking a more coherent, determined and effective response to it by those who remain interested in the preservation of free societies in the noncommunist world.

In order to give effect to his decision to publish, the author asked the four of us, all former U.S. or British government officials for editorial advice and help. Three of us have known the author and his views for twelve years or more. We can testify to his Sisphean efforts to convince others of the validity of what he has to say. We have the highest regard for his personal and professional integrity. The value of his services to national security has been officially recognized by more than one government in the West. Despite the rejection of his views by many of our former colleagues, we continue to believe that the contents of this book are of the greatest importance and relevance to a proper understanding of contemporary events. We were, therefore, more than willing to respond to the author's requests for help in editing his manuscript for publication, and we commend the book for the most serious study by all who are interested in relations between the communist and noncommunist worlds.

The preparation of the manuscript has been undertaken by the author with the help of each of us, acting in an individual and private capacity.

The author is a citizen of the United States of America and an Honorary Commander of the Order of the British Empire (CBE).

Stephen De Mowbray
Arthur Martin
Vasia C. Gmirkin
Scott Miler

Author's Note

This book is the product of nearly twenty years of my life. It presents my convictions that, throughout that period, the West has misunderstood the nature of changes in the communist world and has been misled and out maneuvered by communist guile. My researches have not only strengthened by belief, but have led me to a new methodology by which to analyze communist actions. This methodology takes into account the dialectical character of communist strategic thinking. It is my hope theat the methodology will come to be used by students of communist affairs throughout the Western World.

I accept sole responsibility for the contents of the book. In writing it, I have received no assistance of any kind from any government or other organization. I submitted the text to the appropriate US authorities, who raised no objection to its publication on grounds of national security....

********************************************************

Part I

The Two Methodologies

  1. 1. The Problems Facing Western Analysts
  2. 2. The Patterns of Disinformation--"Weakness an Evolution"
  3. 3. The Patterns of Disinformation--"Facade and Strength"
  4. 4. The Patterns of Disinformation--Transitional
  5. 5. The New Policy and Disinformation Strategy
  6. 6. The Shelepin Report and Changes in Organization
  7. 7. The New Role of Intelligence
  8. 8. Sources of Information
  9. 9. The Vulnerability of Western Assessments
  10. 10. Communist Intelligence Successes, Western Failures and the Crisis in Western Studies
  11. 11. Western Errors
  12. 12. The New Methodology

Part II

  1. The Disinformation Program and its impact on the West
  2. 13. The First Disinformation Operation: The Soviet-Yugoslav "Dispute" from 1958 to 1969
  3. 14. The Second Disinformation Operation: The "Evolution" of the Soviet Regime (Part I)
  4. 15. The Third Disinformation Operation: The Soviet-Albanian "Dispute" and "Split"
  5. 16. The Fourth Disinformation Operation: The Sino-Soviet "Split"
  6. 17. The Fifth Disinformation Operation: Romanian "Independence"
  7. 18. The Sixth Disinformation Operation: The Alleged Recurrence of Power Struggles in the Soviet, Chinese and Other Parties
  8. 19. The Seventh Disinformation Operation: "Democratization" in Czechoslovakia in 1968
  9. 20. The Second Disinformation Operation: The "Evolution of the Soviet Regime (Part II)-- The Dissident Movement
  10. 21. The Eighth Disinformation Operation: "Eurocommunism"
  11. 22. The role of Disinformation and Intelligence Potential in the Realization of the Communist Strategies
  12. 23. The Evidence of Overall Coordination Between the Communist Governments and Parties
  13. 24. The Impact of the Disinformation Program

    Part III
  1. The final phase and the Western Counter-Strategy
  2. 25. The Final Phase
  3. 26. Where Now?

***********************************************************

Cordially,

134 posted on 09/07/2001 9:09:03 AM PDT by Diamond
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 104 | View Replies]

To: Diamond
He still claims access to what HAD to be the most secret document in the USSR in 1987. At that time, he was under sentence of death for treason in the USSR, and the West didn't trust him (mostly because he had a bunch of data that turned out to be false--they thought him a disinformation plant).

So, just HOW did he get ahold of this?

135 posted on 09/07/2001 9:16:09 AM PDT by Poohbah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 134 | View Replies]

To: Poohbah
The only reason I take Nyquist seriously is that you take ALL rattlesnakes seriously, even the baby ones.
I'd rather face a rattlesnake than a cottonmouth like you.
A rattlesnake will warn you that you're too close, a cottonmouth is different!
136 posted on 09/07/2001 9:21:14 AM PDT by philman_36
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Stavka2
No no no...
FRED25, you're back! wink, wink...I won't tell
137 posted on 09/07/2001 9:23:29 AM PDT by philman_36
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: exmarine
As a matter of fact I have been to Europe lately and have spent a great deal of my life there. As for Europe being a post Christian society, make that Western Europe, lets be specific. Been to Eastern Europe lately?
138 posted on 09/07/2001 9:28:25 AM PDT by Stavka2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 131 | View Replies]

To: philman_36
Who the hell is Fred25? Sorry, I'm just your run of the mill Russian nationalist and monarchist...other then that...
139 posted on 09/07/2001 9:33:06 AM PDT by Stavka2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 137 | View Replies]

To: philman_36
No, a cottonmouth around here will be your best buddy and agree with you 100%, then stab you in the back.
140 posted on 09/07/2001 9:39:29 AM PDT by Poohbah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 136 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 81-100101-120121-140141-152 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson