Pentagon War Games Show US Would Lose Aircraft Carriers in Potential China-Taiwan Conflict, Secret Report Reveals

I Stand For Freedom ^ | 12/11/2025 | Noah Stanton

[Brian Griffin]

Shanghai is about 600 miles from Nagasaki.

Hong Kong is about 500 miles from The Philippines.

Taiwan is 130 miles from Fujian.

There’s land upon which aircraft can be based.

[wbarmy]

I agree, China can build a lot of tonnage of warships. China cannot man those ships and if Xi ordered men onto those ships, the families who depend on those men for their livelihoods would revolt. Maybe not a bloody revolt like we imagine, but a whole lot of people would do the Bai Lan.

And China doesn’t have much flexibility in it’s economy for that.

[Captain Walker]

Aircraft carriers are obsolete. Really, that was the case when missiles became common even before we invented drones.

In ths book "One Hundred Days", Admiral Sandy Woodward, the commander of the Royal Navy fleet that sailed south to retake the Falklands, stated that if Britain had lost jusy one of the two carriers, the operation would have been forced to come to a close.

[rbg81]

To me, its seems like this kind of leak is wayyyyyy too convenient. Almost like we wanted it to happen.

[Salvavida]

The “Kill Chain” for hypersonic weapons is where the war will be fought. Anti-satellite warfare will get messy. I hope George Clooney is servicing a satellite with it happens.

https://cimsec.org/breaking-anti-ship-missile-kill-chain/

[Brian Griffin]

“destroy their dams, flood their country”

Someone wrote today that those dams are going to be tough to destroy.

https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/the-incredible-story-of-the-dambusters-raid

https://blog.sciencemuseum.org.uk/the-dambusters-barnes-wallis-and-the-bouncing-bomb/

[kenmcg]

Did the secret report keep our superior sub force secret? Well at least we have more lady commanders than the CCP.

[Brian Griffin]

“China cannot man those ships and if Xi ordered men onto those ships, the families who depend on those men for their livelihoods would revolt.”

~200,000 dead Russians - no revolt

“And China doesn’t have much flexibility in it’s economy for that.”

China has the most flexible economy in the world.

[Brian Griffin]

https://www.google.com/maps/@27.4625762,121.7703845,6z?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTIwOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

[logi_cal869]

Just curious:

If Commiefornia seceded, would it be Ok for chyna to get involved militarily in their defense? /s

Since I was a teen, I never believed that Taiwan was doing enough for their own defense. Likewise for the others (Japan and Korea).

Quite the test of time, HALF A CENTURY of non-preparation for invasion... /s/s

[ealgeone]

Has this been deployed?

[stars & stripes forever]

[Secret Report Reveals]

Leaks, secret reports revealed...

There are traitors within the ranks. Hopefully they will be found out, tried, and punished.

[Widget Jr]

That is commercial shipping, not naval landing ships. China has at best 20 with a few more building. 20 to 30 landing ships are not enough to invade a island of 24 million who have been planning for such a attack for decades.

Commercial ships come in later, after a beachhead is secured, sea lanes are protected and ship to shore transfer is established. Chinese planners are dreaming if they think the US will let that happen uncontested.

As I stated, this sounds like mirroring the U.S. onto China, ignoring all the problems the Chinese military has.

[Widget Jr]

Commercial ships are not naval landing craft. China has only 20 landing ships of all types, with a few more building.

[SpirituTuo]

Did you see the SinkEx of a conventional US carrier USS America? Despite 4 weeks of above and under sea explosions, a specialized crew had to go onboard and scuttle it. It’s water tight compartments and construction made sinking it damn near impossible. Yes, this was done in 2005, but the ship was built in the 60s.

So, not terribly worried about China. Be alert, of course. Have counter measures, you bet. But don’t count on China sinking a carrier.

[John S Mosby]

Which is why, many do not know— the UK built a fully operational large airport on the island of St. Helena (where they sent Napoleon to die, or be poisoned to death).

The construction was on the order of a Wonder of the World.
Scottish firm Basel Read, constructed a massive project, 12 years ago. Commercial airlines have a devil of a time landing and taking off, phenomenal crosswinds. But not British military.

If you’re interested here’s a video on the details:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Udrazvj88c

[Vermont Lt]

I am pretty sure a few tomahawks would fare much better than the dam busters in 1944.

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

Aircraft carriers are particularly hard to sink. Be it with missiles, bombs or torpedoes. And modern damage control makes it even harder. The icing on the cake is that they can be all torn up, but if they can cripple back to a repair port, they can be returned to a serviceable state in just months.

In the meantime, there is a whole lot of ships and boats seeking revenge.

[rlmorel]

It is true that the stupidest thing a military analysis can do is to underestimate an enemy.

The second stupidest thing a military analysis can do is to overestimate an enemy.

[Zhang Fei]

This shouldn’t be a big surprise. Carriers, like every piece of military equipment out there, are ultimately chips to be bet and sacrificed in order to secure a favorable military outcome.

The US lost 13 carriers and hundreds of other naval vessels in WW2. It made up for the losses with a ramp in military spending from 1% to 40% of GDP that saw the construction of new naval yards, the massive expansion of existing ones, and the creation of new methods for building ships in wartime. The shift to a militarized economy, the equivalent today of spending $12T a year on the military, paid for over 6,000 new naval vessels, including 150 new carriers.

That all-out US war effort wasn’t just about ruthlessness in the conduct of war. It was also about enlisting 18m adult males into the armed services, requisitioning the resources to arm, feed and supply them out of the hide of the civilian economy and social spending. Civilian car production ended, rationing was introduced, and 6m housewives entered the workforce in roles made famous by Rosie the Riveter.

While ruthlessness was needed to burn entire districts in German and Japanese cities to the ground, including one day in which 100K Tokyo residents were incinerated (Operation Meetinghouse), it wasn’t sufficient. A US with a 1% military budget couldn’t even defend itself, let alone take the fight to the Axis. A 4% budget would have seen the Axis prevail. Ultimately, the seemingly over-the-top hysteria apparent in the rhetoric of the era served one purpose - to ensure that the American public would accept the great sacrifices to follow, a mustering of 40 cents out of every dollar produced by the economy, and the drafting of almost 1 out of every 2 able-bodied adult males, to ensure that the US could defeat its enemies in Europe and Asia, in that order.