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Posted on 11/21/2025 2:13:01 PM PST by SharpRightTurn
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This court is worthless. They’ll vote 6-3 to keep it.
Children of invading armies were never granted automatic citizenship. How are children of illegal aliens different from that category?
I think I know how the squishy weaklings like Roberts and Barrett are going to rule. I’m bracing myself for a disappointment on this one. It seems we’re not allowed to have a country of sensible laws anymore when it comes to immigration. America’s become a nightmare of globalism.
I hope to God I’m wrong.
Any word on how Prof. Amy’s questioning went?
It would be much better if Congress drafted and passed an amendment which clearly defines who becomes a citizen when born in the U.S.
...my studied response......”Don’t hold yer breath.....” the SCOTUS will find arguments to support the idea that if you are here illegally but drop a baby on American soil, that child is PRESTO!!! a citizen of the United States....there will be way too much pressure on them to do otherwise.....jus’ sayin’ ....
Like the Dems would ever let that out of committee.
Our youngest daughter was born in Japan while I was working there. The U.S. embassy in Tokyo told us we had 60 days to register her birth and apply for a passport or she would be stateless. So the boo-hooing about illegal aliens who come here for the specific purpose of popping out an anchor baby is pointless.
Trump is right but the RINOs on the court will not have the courage.
We need the justices to adhere to originalism. If originalism is the guiding light, illegal aliens birthright will be rejected.
The Civil War was not fought over the following issues:
1) School Prayer. That’s not why 600k+ Americans died.
2) Gay marriage. That’s not why 600k+ Americans died.
3) Illegal aliens. That’s not why 600k+ Americans died.
4) Abortion. That’s not why 600k+ Americans died.
The 14th Amendment is a narrow amendment according to scholars like Raoul Berger that applies pretty much only/exclusively to slaves/former slaves/black people/african americans.(pick your preference, it matters none.)
Roberts is waiting for his satchel full of cash.
Summary on natural born citizen (NBC):
NBC is a legal issue. The U.S. Supreme Court (SC) has ruled that someone who is born on U.S. soil is an NBC if at the time of his birth, his parents were in the U.S. legally but not U.S. citizens.
Detailed argument
Since around 1900, (SC) rulings have become less and less valid because SC has gradually moved away from basing their decisions on the Constitution as written and originally understood and intended. But their ruling on NBC appear to be based on sound application of the Constitution.
In Perkins v. Elg, 99 F. 2d 408, Court of Appeals, Dist. of Columbia Circuit 1938, the Court of Appeals noted as part of the basis for their decision that...
In United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 18 S. Ct. 456, 42 L. Ed. 890, 1898 [the Court found that] [W]hen the Constitution was adopted, the people of the United States were the citizens of the several States for whom and for whose posterity the government was established. Each of them was a citizen of the United States at the adoption of the Constitution, and all free persons thereafter born within one of the several States became by birth citizens of the State and of the United States.
It appears the Court of Appeals in Elg (1939) agrees with Ark (1898) decison.
(Both Marie Elizabeth Elg and Wong Kim Ark were born on U.S. soil to parents who were here legally but not U.S. citizens. )
Again, the Constitution is properly applied as written and ORIGINALLY UNDERSTOOD and intended. What matters is what the ratifiers of the Constitution considered an NBC was. The Supreme Court decisions based on the good-faith and sound finding of original understanding of NBC in the Constitution is, therefore, legal precedent concerning NBC.
Some argue that the term "NBC" is not specifically used in Ark or Elg, but these cases revolve around citizenship based on birth on U.S. soil, which is exactly what NBC is. An NBC is a citizen automatically because he was born on U.S. soil. He is “naturally” and automatically a citizen needing no further processing to become a U.S. citizen. He becomes a citizen under “natural” (birth) circumstances, exactly as Elg, Ark.
The logic is simple, one cannot be rewarded for breaking a law.
THE single biggest decision to save the Republic. If current interpretation is allowed to stand the country as we knew it is over. You simply cannot allow this magnet for the world to come over and plop out US citizens. It should be removed for those working here on visas, too, quite frankly.
With a view to this last object, I entirely concur in the propriety of resorting to the sense in which the Constitution was accepted and ratified by the nation. In that sense alone it is the legitimate Constitution. And if that be not the guide in expounding it, there can be no security for a consistent and stable, more than for a faithful exercise of its powers. If the meaning of the text be sought in the changeable meaning of the words composing it, it is evident that the shape and attributes of the Government must partake of the changes to which the words and phrases of all living languages are constantly subject. What a metamorphosis would be produced in the code of law if all its ancient phraseology were to be taken in its modern sense.
James Madison to Henry Lee, 25 June 1824 (Text)
James Madison describes "Originalism".
(Audio):
Short Nonfiction Collection Vol. 021
https://www.archive.org/download/nonfiction021_librivox/snf021_lettertohenrylee_madison.mp3
Wong Kim Ark is irrelevant. It never addressed illegal aliens.
Mail-in Voting has destroyed any semblance of actual U.S. Citizens having votes that mean anything, compared to the FRAUD from law-breaking "parasites".
Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Barrett concerns me in this decision. The three amigo women will obviously vote against Trump and what’s good for the American people on this one and if it goes down, considering the 40 million Muslims that have flooded this country, the future of the US would be doomed.
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