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Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo: Desperate Times and Desperate Measures
Steyn Online ^ | 23 August 2025 | Rick McGinnis

Posted on 08/24/2025 5:32:05 AM PDT by Rummyfan

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To: no-s

That’s wild.


41 posted on 08/24/2025 8:42:07 AM PDT by Macho MAGA Man
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To: no-s; Macho MAGA Man

I also like the real footage shot on the camera carried by one of Lawson’s crew of them flying low level from Florida to California, chasing an antelope, racing a train, flying under the Golden Gate Bridge (though he didn’t capture that because he forgot to load film)

Hahahaha...can you imagine being on a car and seeing that B-25 dive right underneath you!


42 posted on 08/24/2025 8:42:58 AM PDT by rlmorel (Factio Communistica Sinensis Delenda Est.)
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To: rlmorel

Oops, that was the Bay Bridge, not the Golden Gate Bridge!


43 posted on 08/24/2025 8:50:46 AM PDT by rlmorel (Factio Communistica Sinensis Delenda Est.)
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To: no-s

“He pulled up in a wingover”

If he did a wingover you would be eating your dust.


44 posted on 08/24/2025 8:56:26 AM PDT by TexasGator (The 750 hp Florida Gnat)
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To: cuz1961

“Japan, which had begun its war of conquest against China in 1931, killed some quarter-million Chinese in reprisal for helping the raiders.”

Unsettled History: What Happened in China After the Doolittle Raid
https://www.historynet.com/unsettled-history-review-what-happened-in-china-after-the-doolittle-raid/


45 posted on 08/24/2025 8:57:39 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...


B-25 youtube Google search

46 posted on 08/24/2025 9:13:22 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (NeverTrumpin' -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
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To: cuz1961

More testimony that they can keep a good man down !

The good man only gets resurrected by the asshats in a dire emergency.


47 posted on 08/24/2025 9:20:50 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: ansel12

What if’s are enumerable…

Hmmm
“ On the American side, the Doolittle raid meant the aircraft carriers Hornet and Enterprise were not available for the Battle of the Coral Sea in the south Pacific. Had the Americans had four carriers at that first carrier-to-carrier battle, it’s interesting to imagine what could have resulted.”

But the reverse is also true. What effect did the raid have on Japanese fleet positions for Coral Sea.


48 posted on 08/24/2025 9:25:21 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: rlmorel

I just got to the scene where the Japanese fishing boats were waving at the raiders. I seem to recall that detail in the book, which I read about the age of 11 in my sparsely populated Catholic school library (a book about JFK was next, likely PT-109 but I can’t verify).

It then occurred to me:

Doolittle Raid April 18, 1942

and this

“In January, the national insignia was added to both wings, top and bottom. The red dot in the center of the star was removed in the Pacific theater to eliminate confusion over the Japanese red disc which served as their insignia. The tail rudder stripes were also removed. These last two changes were accomplished throughout American forces...

... by May of 1942.”

https://wwiisquadronpatches.com/NationalInsigniaHistoryUSAircraft.html

https://www.aircorpsart.com/blog/timeline-for-the-us-air-force-national-star-insignia/

I’m left to wonder if the Raiders’ debrief contributed to the decision to change the insignia.


49 posted on 08/24/2025 9:25:41 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -')
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To: rlmorel

There was a whole series of books like this in our school and town library. I devoured every one of them as a kid carrying one just about all the time to read in any spare time. Our library was a Carnegie Library at the top of a long set of steps on Grand Avenue in McAlester, Oklahoma. The library is gone now. What a terrible shame.

Crashing in the surf at night was the most memorable part of the book for me.


50 posted on 08/24/2025 9:27:30 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: cuz1961

DVD is $11 on Amazon ...


51 posted on 08/24/2025 9:30:12 AM PDT by ByteMercenary (Election 2020 was stolen by mail-in voting.)
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To: Sequoyah101

Yes...that had a lasting effect on me as well. His teeth pushed back in his mouth, the huge gash on his leg...the movie did not do that horror the justice the book did, that is for sure.

The first two books I checked out were “Thirty Seconds over Tokyo” and “The Mercury Seven”! I remember how exciting it was to check out what I wanted...:)


52 posted on 08/24/2025 9:50:40 AM PDT by rlmorel (Factio Communistica Sinensis Delenda Est.)
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To: logi_cal869

Could be...allied gunners had twitchy fingers at that time.

That said, I don’t remember the Doolittle Raiders having the rudder stripes...but I could be wrong. All those Revell models I built didn’t have them that I remember!


53 posted on 08/24/2025 9:53:10 AM PDT by rlmorel (Factio Communistica Sinensis Delenda Est.)
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To: rlmorel

The ending was perfect.

For a film made in 1944, I expected more of a rallying, propaganda film.

It was very well done, but I’d have been satisfied with the latter, too. It’s very hard to recall the book, but my memory was that I had quite a different reaction to the book than the movie. That stated, I was merely a child when I read the book...


54 posted on 08/24/2025 10:10:35 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -')
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To: Rummyfan

Here’s an excellent animated analysis of the Dolittle Raid from Operations Room.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4je9fRpShA


55 posted on 08/24/2025 10:24:20 AM PDT by chrisinoc
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To: logi_cal869

Civilians and non Air Defense people rarely ID aircraft correctly. At that time and location no one, save those in on the alert system, was expecting American bombers there or then. And, there was a Japanese bomber that was easily mistaken for the B 25. The Nell, if I recall . . .


56 posted on 08/24/2025 10:24:53 AM PDT by JackFromTexas (- Not For Hire -)
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To: rlmorel

I would have loved to be along for the ride. I rode on a B-25 back in the late 70’s when it was called The Confederate Air Force. I couldn’t even hear myself talk due to it being so loud.


57 posted on 08/24/2025 10:44:25 AM PDT by Macho MAGA Man
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To: rlmorel
I saw this movie a number of times. The run in of Van Johnson's plane is spectacular footage, really tight cinematography and a tense several minutes of really impressive flying. I believe the harbor of Long Beach was used as the backdrop for Tokyo.
58 posted on 08/24/2025 10:51:15 AM PDT by jmacusa ( Liberals. Too stupid to be idiots.)
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To: Macho MAGA Man

I took a tour inside a B-17 some years ago. From a distance that thing looked huge but inside I couldn’t believe how cramped it was! There was no place you could stand upright and I’m only 5’8.

How in the world those kids were ever able to bail out of those things was simply amazing.

God bless them.


59 posted on 08/24/2025 10:54:31 AM PDT by jmacusa ( Liberals. Too stupid to be idiots.)
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To: ansel12
Currently I'm reading a book by the late Iris Chang titled “The Rape Of Nanking’’ in December of 1937 the Imperial Japanese Army went berserk and in a matter of a few weeks slaughtered some 300,000 Chinese men, women and kids in the most barbaric fashion.

Just unbelievable what the Japs did and still refuse to atone for their crimes. Ms Chang sadly committed suicide some years after writing her book.

60 posted on 08/24/2025 10:59:20 AM PDT by jmacusa ( Liberals. Too stupid to be idiots.)
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