Putin says Russia's hypersonic missile has entered service and will be deployed in Belarus

MSM ^ | 2 Aug 25 | VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV

[jerod]

20+ minutes... Leaving the United States more than enough time to blow them out of the air before they reach any target... Fire away!

[Svartalfiar]

We better get our sh*t together. This is a gamechanger.

Not even close. These missiles are basically the same thing as ones we already fielded in 1970...

[Svartalfiar]

That means nothing. Our ballistics have nearly the exact same flight times from ND to Russia. Minuteman-III has a max range of ~13,000 km, and trajectory to that range reaches over Mach 20. Obviously a shorter trajectory will be somewhat slower, but isn’t any slower than Russia’s copycat.

Of course, Oreshnik is brand new half-experimental. We’ve been flying M-IIIs since the 60s... And have the same MIRV capability since 1970, we just left them as nuclear weapons instead of branching into conventional systems as well.

[Svartalfiar]

The Neocons have made MANY CLAIMS regarding their Wonder Weapons, and given their track record, I wouldn’t recommend betting the house on them getting it right, for once.

These US have how many nuclear-powered aircraft carriers? Russia has one coal-burning ski-jumper that sinks in drydock.
These US own how many F-117s, B-2s, F-22s, F-35s, etc.? Which Iran's (Russian) S-3/400 system didn't even know about? Russia has what, <50 Su-57s, of which they're scared to fly in Ukraine against old versions of the Patriot system?

Why would you trust Putin's outlandish claims, yet be so skeptical that we can counter them?

[BobL]

It’s not the Russians saying that our carriers are OBSOLETE (I doubt they really care), it’s the NEOCONS.

Anyway, Witkoff is going to Moscow, so you might not get your war against Russia, at least for the time being.

[silent majority rising]

It just means that all the money that Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, and Qatar have spent on propaganda for the global gullible. The fact is that Hamas was trying to kill Israel, at and with the help of Iran and certain Arab and Turkish concerns, to end to end the Jewish State. The world is just as awash with hatred and antisemitism as it was in 1933, or for that matter, in the year 300. Jesus was Jewish, and a Rabbi, and his teachings in no way changed in relation to his Jewishness. Paul, another Jew, understood that way as well.

[Svartalfiar]

rather, it was "a series of old technologies that have been put together in a new way."

No it's not. It's the something as our mirv-capable Minuteman-III from 1970, only using conventional/inert-mass warheads instead of nuclear loads.

We literally could have flown the same thing in the 70s, except we left them as nuclear systems instead of putting in non-nuclear systems.

[Svartalfiar]

The difference between a hypersonic missile as we define it and a non-hypersonic missile is that a hypersonic missile can change its course at hypersonic speeds to evade air defense.

Where did you get that definition...?

Hypersonic is the speed at which air ionizes and forms a plasma around the object; depends on various factors (temp, density, composition, etc), but is normally (and hence colloquially defined at) around Mach 5+.

[Svartalfiar]

It’s not the Russians saying that our carriers are OBSOLETE (I doubt they really care), it’s the NEOCONS.

Anyway, Witkoff is going to Moscow, so you might not get your war against Russia, at least for the time being.

You said you agreed that our general technological superiority (specifically regarding missile defense) was questionable relative to Russian missiles. I was just giving several examples showing the extreme opposite, so it infers that our missile defenses should be mostly decent enough to counter Russian missiles.

And I'm not sure where you got me saying I want to go to war against Russia..?

[Svartalfiar]

Not sure how your comment relates to what I said..?

[Brilliant]

American ICBMs are hypersonic by that definition. They need to go 5x the speed of sound, but that is not enough. They also need to be highly maneuverable. For that reason, the Russians really don’t have anything on us when it comes to hypersonic missiles. On the other hand, the Chinese do. But the big issue here is that the Chinese need hypersonic missiles because we have a good air defense. They on the other hand do not. They are closing the gap though so we should be working on it.

[Terabitten]

Russia has always tried to catch up and match the U.S. in weapons development, but they've always fallen short.

This is exactly the point I was getting at earlier in this thread. The Soviets/Russians *ALWAYS*, without exception, wildly overstate their military equipment's capabilities.

[Campion]

It wasn’t the only cause, but it definitely contributed.