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Ukraine must get ready for future in which there is no ceasefire with Russia
The Guardian ^ | Sun 13 Jul 2025 | Dan Sabbagh

Posted on 07/13/2025 2:59:17 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

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To: MinorityRepublican

Demographics show 20 million people have left Ukraine.5-7 million went to Russia, the others fled all over the EU.

There is no one left to rebuild, very few will return.


61 posted on 07/13/2025 4:57:41 PM PDT by delta7
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To: tlozo

You didn’t mention Ukrainian troops and how many will die

The Ukrs are considering drafting women by this fall and have already prohibited both men and women of draft age 18+ from leaving the country


62 posted on 07/13/2025 4:58:35 PM PDT by silverleaf (“Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out” —David Horowitz)
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To: silverleaf
You didn’t mention Ukrainian troops and how many will die

Its Ukraines decision, and they seem determined to fight for their freedom.

63 posted on 07/13/2025 5:02:40 PM PDT by tlozo
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To: JayGalt

Chinese-made paper ballots brought this war to America.


64 posted on 07/13/2025 5:06:10 PM PDT by Does so ("Trump said today, "I'm with Ukraine". You?.....🇺🇦...Dem☭¢rat... ∅ one ™ ¿ ¡ ☞≣ ½¼)
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To: tlozo

You skipped the Maidan coup of 2014 that installed an anti- Russian pro-Western govt with promises that Ukraine would join the EU and NATO and the hard right nationalists with militias funded by oligarchs undertook a civil war to cleanse Eastern Ukraine resisting the de-Russification plan. Crimea had transport links, agriculture water and electric power shut off. Zelensky did a comedy schtick about it.


65 posted on 07/13/2025 5:06:23 PM PDT by silverleaf (“Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out” —David Horowitz)
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To: tlozo

“Its Ukraines decision, and they seem determined to fight for their freedom”

Fight to the last Ukie Male.
That will teach Pooty-Poo a lesson.


66 posted on 07/13/2025 5:09:25 PM PDT by tennmountainman ( (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRobr 12-2-2023 DITTO)
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To: silverleaf
You skipped the Maidan coup of 2014 that installed an anti- Russian pro-Western

LOL, EVEN the pro-Russian Ukrainian president, who was later chased out in the "coup" got elected PROMISING TO JOIN THE EU.

No one wants to join Russia vs the much richer EU!

67 posted on 07/13/2025 5:12:18 PM PDT by tlozo
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To: tlozo

The people were never told the price they would pay to join the EU, meeting IMF demands for austerity and cutting trade links with Belarus and Russia. They were not made aware their country was being sold off, land and assets, to private western investors to try to meet those standards.

Nor were they aware the Minsk Accords to settle the civil fracture with eastern Ukraine..was actually a diplomatic feint to buy time for the West to build Ukraine into one of Europes largest armies in preparation for war with Russia …as admitted by Angela Merkel. A war Ukraine would be expected to launch.


68 posted on 07/13/2025 5:13:46 PM PDT by silverleaf (“Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out” —David Horowitz)
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To: MinorityRepublican

The gift from Biden that keeps on giving. /sarc


69 posted on 07/13/2025 5:19:19 PM PDT by GreatRoad ('In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act' )
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To: tlozo

He got cold feet when the terms demanded by the IMF and western agencies were revealed, not only economic austerity which would have led to unemployment and poverty, along with severing decades of a trade pact with surrounding countries…but the release from prison of a female politician convicted of corruption. This inclusion in the terms made it pretty clear she was a western ( CIA) tool of importance.

Ukraine needed to get out of a debt hole and Putin offered better terms.

But the color revolution for Ukraine was in motion and not to be stopped.


70 posted on 07/13/2025 5:22:08 PM PDT by silverleaf (“Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out” —David Horowitz)
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To: tennmountainman
“Its Ukraines decision, and they seem determined to fight for their freedom”

Fight to the last Ukie Male. That will teach Pooty-Poo a lesson.

Russian demands for surrender and barbarity seems to have given Ukraine no other option but to fight.

71 posted on 07/13/2025 5:25:46 PM PDT by tlozo
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To: silverleaf
But the color revolution for Ukraine was in motion and not to be stopped.

Ukraines people have traveled to Russia and the EU. They saw the standard of living in the EU is much higher.

There is a good reason EVERY former Eastern bloc nation joined the EU vs the Russian economic bloc

72 posted on 07/13/2025 5:30:26 PM PDT by tlozo
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To: tlozo

Then why isnt Ukraine in the EU yet?
Hmmm?
More promises over a decade or more by the Western European Populars to let Ukraine sit at the adult table….after they do their part, of course, to let their army try to be a sharp tool to be used against Russia.

And after the Western financiers and bankers corral them into economic servitude to repay the massive debt black hole they’ve become.


73 posted on 07/13/2025 5:37:07 PM PDT by silverleaf (“Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out” —David Horowitz)
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To: tlozo

Btw…who paid off Ukraine’s debt when the eastern bloc broke up?


74 posted on 07/13/2025 5:39:05 PM PDT by silverleaf (“Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out” —David Horowitz)
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To: tlozo

Then Ukies should fight…to the last male.


75 posted on 07/13/2025 5:46:32 PM PDT by tennmountainman ( (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRobr 12-2-2023 DITTO)
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To: silverleaf

Then why isnt Ukraine in the EU yet?

Ukie’s just as corrupt as Ruzzia. That’s why.


76 posted on 07/13/2025 5:48:26 PM PDT by tennmountainman ( (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRobr 12-2-2023 DITTO)
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To: Brian Griffin
“Ukraine now produces more artillery systems than all NATO countries combined”

Dare I ask who's paying for all of this?

77 posted on 07/13/2025 5:49:18 PM PDT by Drew68 (I haven’t seen the Democrats this mad since yesterday. Save some tears for tomorrow.)
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To: silverleaf
to let their army try to be a sharp tool to be used against Russia.

LOL, poor Russia, completely blameless. Its the evil west that is using Ukraine as a "sharp tool to be used against Russia". Okay

78 posted on 07/13/2025 6:04:03 PM PDT by tlozo
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To: tennmountainman
Then Ukies should fight…to the last male.

If that's their wish, sure. Maybe they believe its better for 80% or whatever part of Ukraine and its people to be free rather than all of it being under Putins boot.

79 posted on 07/13/2025 6:06:14 PM PDT by tlozo
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To: MinorityRepublican

Putin, I suspect, wants Ukraine to surrender. From his past statements he wants the Russian speaking oblasts in the east independent from Ukraine and for Ukraine to be a neutral country with police but no army.

He will continue bombarding Ukraine until the people overthrow Zelensky and seek peace. - just a thought.


80 posted on 07/13/2025 7:15:47 PM PDT by elpadre
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