Electric Desperation: Tesla and Ford Urge Buyers to Act Fast as $7,500 EV Tax Credit Is Set to Expire

Think about it. EV used market share is smaller than new car share.

adorno: Farley doesn't have a prayer with his EV solutions.

I'm happy that you now finally agree with me that Ford and all legacy automakers around the world are totally incompetent when it comes to high tech. That's what I've been repeatedly saying over and over and over (glad that you're finally catching on). LOL.

And warning about China isn't going to enhance Ford's sales of EVs. China won't be allowed to dump EVs ... Americans are not going to buy that junk.anyway

Ford CEO Jim Farley (who knows the global auto/EV industry far, Far, FAR better than you ever will) publicly declared that Chinese EVs are an "existential threat" to the auto industry. (In case you're not aware, "adorno," Ford is in the auto industry, too, so the Ford CEO is saying that Chinese EVs are an "existential threat" to Ford as well. LOL.)

BTW, I'm not anti-EV.

Nonsense, you shameless, dishonest con-artist. You just called EVs "junk" only three sentences prior to that, you total buffoon ... even though Ford CEO Farley (who knows the global auto/EV industry, far, Far, FAR, FAR better than you ever will) said that Chinese EVs are so good that they pose an "existential threat" to Ford (and the entire global auto industry). You're so full of s*it, "adorno," that it's obvious to everyone ... who is sane.

But nice try with desperately throwing your Demokrat girlfriend kamaLa into the mix. You're so hopelessly clueless that you make Demokrat kamaLa look like Einstein. (And that's impossible to do, yet you just managed to do the impossible. Congrats!)

So keep making a total fool of yourself regarding "EVs vs ICE" ... keep digging your hole deeper & deeper ...

LOL.

When you need govt subsidies to exist you have a poor business model. No offense.

You're absolutely right: All legacy automakers (all of whom are totally incompetent at high tech) desperately need all kinds of EV subsidies to keep their comically money-losing EV operations afloat. When Sleepy Joe's handlers started talking up EV subsidies after the 2020 Stolen Election, Musk said they're a bad idea. But Demokrat Sleepy Joe's handlers still approved EV subsidies anyway.

T.B. Yoits: "... [yet another long-winded and dishonest diatribe] ..."

In case you didn't catch on (you obviously didn't), I was just being sarcastic - aka, only joking - when I said earlier on this thread that the richest person in the world is a total and complete "moron." (I didn't think I needed to end that post with /s because I just assumed freepers would realize I was clearly kidding about that. How could the richest person on earth possibly be a total "moron?" I mean, c'mon. Wake the hell up.)

You also intentionally and falsely claimed that I said Ford CEO Jim Farley is "great." Nope, Mr. T. B. Strawman, I never once said that the Ford CEO is "great." Not once, even though you deceitfully and falsely claim I said it. You need to stop irrationally blabbing about logical "fallacies" and stop deliberately lying about what I actually said. You're the most disingenuous person I've ever talked to ... except for "adorno." What I actually did say about the Ford CEO Jim Farley is that he knows far, Far, FAR, FAR more about the global auto/EV industry than anyone on this board ... which includes you. So when Ford CEO Jim Farley publicly declares that Chinese EVs are an "existential threat" to Ford, implying Trump better ban Chinese EVs from the U.S., it's quite obvious to everyone (who is sane) that the Ford CEO realizes that Chinese EVs are a huge threat to Ford. And as you and everyone knows, Ford is almost all ICE, so the Ford CEO must be absolutely convinced that Chinese EVs are therefore an "existential threat" to Ford ICE vehicles. Got it yet? There is no other logical conclusion.

You need to stop irrationally blabbing about logical "fallacies" and stop deliberately lying about what I actually said.

YOU brought logic into it (Post 91). You stop pushing logical fallacies, and I'll stop calling you out on them.

(Although, as I said, I believe you could hit every one of them, whether intentionally or not).

You're the most disingenuous person I've ever talked to ... except for "adorno."

Well, we've never talked and that's a complete lie that I'm the second most "disingenuous" person you've interacted with, unless you really, really don't get out much. That I could believe. You push the logical fallacies because you're unwilling (deceit) or unable (deficiency) to argue truthfully. I'll grant you "unable" due to the pie-in-the-sky EV ideas. Deception is normally more organized and effective.

I get it. You get paid to post. You're hawking EVs. You or someone in your family might work for Tesla or be heavily invested into them. You might be a high-functioning autist like Elon Musk.

But go peddle logical fallacies on someone else.

adorno: Farley doesn't have a prayer with his EV solutions.

Still doesn't, no matter how many LOLs you include in your posts.

I'm happy that you now finally agree with me that Ford and all legacy automakers around the world are totally incompetent when it comes to high tech.

Just because a car is electric, does not make it high tech.

LOL. ;)

And warning about China isn't going to enhance Ford's sales of EVs. China won't be allowed to dump EVs ... Americans are not going to buy that junk.anyway

Still true. (LOL). ;)

Ford CEO Jim Farley (who knows the global auto/EV industry far, Far, FAR better than you ever will)

Far too many CEOs are removed because of dumb decisions Farley is jut playing along with EVs because, other are and Tesla showed success. Can't afford to fall behind, even if the decision turns out to be a dud. So far, for the last 3 years, Ford has lost around $15 billion. That's not success and that's dumb and that's decision-making that most economics 101 students would not make.

And, China's EVs are junk, and Farley is just using scare tactics to rationalize and justify his stupidity on EVs.

LOL... Hey! Your LOLS are infecting my posts too. Stop it!

publicly declared that Chinese EVs are an "existential threat" to the auto industry.

Not even close. Just a scare tactic. LOL!

(In case you're not aware, "adorno," Ford is in the auto industry, too, so the Ford CEO is saying that Chinese EVs are an "existential threat" to Ford as well. LOL.)

Chinese EVs are junk, and the only way they would sell in the U.S. is through dumping. That won't be allowed and Farley is still lying and using scare tactics. LOL! ;)

BTW, I'm not anti-EV.

Still true. I would purchase an EV if it met my goals, which I stated before. So far, none meet my criteria, not even Tesla. LOL!

Nonsense, you shameless, dishonest con-artist.

You win the argument. Anytime you have to resort to attacking your opponent with crazy and deranged rhetoric, you automatically have to be declared the winner, even if you are far from making your case. LOL. ;)

You just called EVs "junk"

You hae a very bad reading comprehension problem. LOL.

I did say that CHINESE Evs are junk. Go back and find the correct statement from me and quote me correctly. LOL.

you total buffoon ...

Hey, you win the argument again. Personal attacks are the only way you can win, even if that's not true, or a way of making your case. LOL.

even though Ford CEO Farley (who knows the global auto/EV industry,

I think you already said that several times. Are you suffering from dementia? LOL.

far, Far, FAR, FAR
Repetition makes for good practice. LOL.

better than you ever will)

Repeating the same junk, over and over again, will not make it true. LOL.

said that Chinese EVs are so good that they pose an "existential threat"

Lower priced does not make them better. Dumping them will not make them better. Scaring people about Chinese junk will not help Farley sell more EVs. People aren't as stupid as he believes nor as stupid as you think they are.

to Ford (and the entire global auto industry).

Woah! The entire global auto industry??? OMG, we had better be scared! LOL.

You're so full of s*it,

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner! He who does the most persoanl attacks is the ultimate winner of any argument. No need to make his case. Insults are the best. LOL.

"adorno," that it's obvious to everyone ... who is sane.

I guess that leave you out. You're not sane. Look up the meaning of insanity and you'll see your picture there. LOL.

But nice try with desperately throwing your Demokrat girlfriend kamaLa into the mix.

Kamala is not a DEMOCRAT. (Don't be afraid to spell it cottectlyO. She is a socialist but more a communist. MuMdanie knows all about that. and Kamala does not appreciate you imitating her speeches and writing and communicating skills, though you do quite well at that. Don't deny it. LOL!

You're so hopelessly clueless

Yet, I'm the only one making sense here. LOL.

that you make Demokrat kamaLa look like Einstein.

You're so easy to manipulate, thet even my dog makes more sense than you. Kamala still doesn't appreciate you imitating her.

And, btw, when tested, my IQ was higher than Einstein's. LOL. (And that's impossible to do, yet you just managed to do the impossible. Congrats!)

It's not impossible to have an IQ higher than Einstein. Plenty of people do. but NEVER you. LOL. But, you might have an IQ higher than my do, but I doubt it. LO>

So keep making a total fool of yourself

It's impossible to make a fool of myself, when I'm making a total fool of YOU. LOL...

Kamala doesn't appreciate you trying to sound like her. Fool!

regarding "EVs vs ICE" ... keep digging your hole deeper & deeper ...

Oops! You caught be digging a hole. But, it's a hole totake me to Chian, so I can see how junky their junc EVs are, first-hand, and then I car report to Ford about how clueless his is about china's junk. LOL!

BTw, quit while you're behind, or you risk falling further behind. (Einstein said that). LOL!

I think the paid posters have always been a problem. It’s hard to believe someone making the boneheaded arguments that you’ve dismantled isn’t being paid to spew such drivel.

I spent years in the trenches here and in other places making arguments against it. I can’t do it anymore...I burned out long ago. This one was so bad that I almost came out of hibernation...lol

Don't give up. There are plenty of people willing to embrace logic, sanity, and reason, who need guidance and insight.

I don't post to change minds, I post so that others know they're not alone. (I also add in some fun stuff when it fits).

As for news, I'll start a thread if it's something I have particular interest in that others haven't already started. I've noticed I have to start threads less with others being more involved.

I believe some of these posters are paid by the number of responses. If so, may the company paying them exhaust their budgets.

"When you need govt subsidies to exist you have a poor business model. No offense."

You're clueless. (No offense.) Tesla doesn't "need govt subsidies to exist." In fact, Musk told Sleepy Joe Biden's handlers back in 2020 that he's against EV subsidies.

This next comment is geared towards the equally clueless twins adorno & T. B. Yoits.: The only reason clueless Biden's handlers created $7,500 EV credit was to benefit the failing big Three automakers (who are incapable of making money on EVs). That explains why Biden invited the big Three CEOs to multiple White House EV Summits (while intentionally barring Musk who was against Biden's EV purchase credits).

It's amazing that you folks are still absurdly trying to argue these points. You just make up stuff and try to pass it along as facts. (Don't worry - I'm here to correct all your novice mistakes.)

Sorry for not continuing our discussion a while back but I got extremely busy with other stuff. Fortunately for you, I'm back at free republic and will now point out your absurd drivel. Your most recent posts were long-winded and silly.

Let's see if I understand your - adorno's & T. B. Yoits's - basic assertions:

ICE will rule for another "100 years." (I could just as easily say EVs will own 90% of the auto market by 2035 ... who here will check back in a decade or century to verify? LOL.)
If EVs have "300-miles" range, charge "80%" in 10 mins, and are "affordable" (whatever that means), you said you're "in." (So you'll buy an EV even though you foolishly claim ICE will rule for another "100 years." Enroll in Logic 101, adorno).
The two of you baselessly claim I'm a "paid poster." (I can just as easily make a similar absurd claim that you're paid posters for incompetent ICE automakers. Too funny.)
EVs are money-losers. (It's interesting that you deliberately omit the profitable Tesla. Tesla makes so much money on EVs that it pours tons of profits into AI/robotaxi/self-driving/humanoid robots R&D and manufacturing.)
"hybrids are [the] only hope, along with the regular ICE vehicles. EVs are not the future ..." (Two powertrains is a joke. Why not make it five powertrains? LOL. I like your alleged "logic" - EVs are "not the future," but you think it makes great sense to add an EV motor & EV components to ICE, resulting in twice the complexity & maintenance. As I said, enroll in Logic 101, adorno.)
You imply Ford CEO Farley publicly warns of the Chinese EV threat to U.S. automakers because he wants to sell a few more Ford EVs on which Ford loses tons of money. (You really should enroll in Logic 101, adorno.)
You falsely claim I said Ford CEO is "great." (Actually, I said Farley knows global auto mkt far better than the novices adorno & T. B. Yoits - that hardly qualifies Farley as "great." LOL.)
T. B. Yoits created a strawman by falsely claiming I'm trying to "force" everyone to buy an EV. (I couldn't care less what you or anyone buys. I'm simply stating facts ... but adorno & Yoits clearly hate the facts.)
T. B. Yoits posted a dissertation about how awful Ford is. (Duh, everyone already knew that - that's what I've repeatedly said. The problem is not the EV concept - it's the incompetent Ford itself.)
You imply the U.S. is banning Chinese EV imports and the EU is heavily tariffing Chinese EV imports because Chinese EVs are "junk." I say, let the alleged "junk" in - I trust American consumers to make their own purchase decisions, not have Big Government & Big Brother T.B. Yoits & Big Brother adorno make Americans' purchase decisions for them. I'm for free, open markets. If you're supposedly right that Chinese EVs are complete 100% "junk" (as you often foolishly claim), then you shouldn't fear letting them be sold in America. But you don't actually believe that - you know Chinese EVs are not "junk." And that's the Ford CEO's exact point: Chinese EVs would totally wipe out the big Three ICE automakers.

"Well? We're waiting ..." (Credit: quote from Caddyshack)

Sorry for not continuing our discussion a while back

Hey, I remember you. You're that LOL guy. I missed you and your LOLs. I wondered what happened to you. I feared you had suffered an unfortunate accident in an EV fire that couldn't be extinguished. My bad. I see you are still with us. Welcome back to the living. LOL!

but I got extremely busy with other stuff.

A likely story... not buying it.

You took a break trying to figure out how to respond to the take-down you suffered through my post and from others. Took you long enough, but you would've been better off staying away altogether.

Fortunately for you,

I was doing quite well without you. FACT is, I even forgot you existed. That 'fortunately' word you used, is highly illogical You need to use better logic; in fact, you even lack common sense.

BTW, I'm an expert at analyzing things, and I could teach you logic, which you are very much lacking. Your use of the word, 'logic' is your attempt to try to justify your take on he matter at hand. Overuse of 'logic' is highly illogical. It's as logical as an insane person trying to convince others that he's not crazy. You are trying too hard to make sense, and you are failing miserably.

T I'm back at free republic

Oh crap! We already have enough pretentious members, and now you are back with more of your nonsense. LOL!

and will now point out your absurd drivel.

You are starting off on the wrong foot. 'Logically', that's always the wrong way to have a cohering intelligent and 'logical' conversation. LOL!

Your most recent posts were long-winded and silly.

Logically, people don't spend a lot of time responding to silly stuff. You fail the 'logic' test. LOL!

Long-winded? You felt the pain from each of the points I made, and you are expressing that pain by categorizing my points as long-winded. You went away mad, and took time off to alleviate the pain, but you felt that the take-down was too painful to just let go, and you had to respond. You shoulda stayed away.

Let's see if I understand your - adorno's & T. B. Yoits's - basic assertions:

Those 'assertions' are also LOGICAL statements of fact. And you failed to rebut any of the points effective. You just repeated the same points that the pro-EV supporters use all the time. Nothing new. LOL!

So, since none of your points are new and are just the samr repetition of nonsense in the past, I'll give you another chance to come up with salient and cohesive arguments for why EVs are revolutionary and the whole world (or most of it), should adopt EVs and replace ICE vehicles with them.

Logically it's not going to happen, but your alternate way of thinking believes the nonsense. (BTW; alternate way of thinking equals illogical thinking, or nonsense). LOL!

So, here in its entirety is my previous post in this discussion. Do better this time. Enjoy:

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adorno: Farley doesn't have a prayer with his EV solutions.

Still doesn't, no matter how many LOLs you include in your posts.

I'm happy that you now finally agree with me that Ford and all legacy automakers around the world are totally incompetent when it comes to high tech.

Just because a car is electric, does not make it high tech.

LOL. ;)

And warning about China isn't going to enhance Ford's sales of EVs. China won't be allowed to dump EVs ... Americans are not going to buy that junk.anyway

Still true. (LOL). ;)

Ford CEO Jim Farley (who knows the global auto/EV industry far, Far, FAR better than you ever will)

Far too many CEOs are removed because of dumb decisions Farley is jut playing along with EVs because, other are and Tesla showed success. Can't afford to fall behind, even if the decision turns out to be a dud. So far, for the last 3 years, Ford has lost around $15 billion. That's not success and that's dumb and that's decision-making that most economics 101 students would not make.

And, China's EVs are junk, and Farley is just using scare tactics to rationalize and justify his stupidity on EVs.

LOL... Hey! Your LOLS are infecting my posts too. Stop it!

publicly declared that Chinese EVs are an "existential threat" to the auto industry.

Not even close. Just a scare tactic. LOL!

(In case you're not aware, "adorno," Ford is in the auto industry, too, so the Ford CEO is saying that Chinese EVs are an "existential threat" to Ford as well. LOL.)

Chinese EVs are junk, and the only way they would sell in the U.S. is through dumping. That won't be allowed and Farley is still lying and using scare tactics. LOL! ;)

BTW, I'm not anti-EV.

Still true. I would purchase an EV if it met my goals, which I stated before. So far, none meet my criteria, not even Tesla. LOL!

Nonsense, you shameless, dishonest con-artist.

You win the argument. Anytime you have to resort to attacking your opponent with crazy and deranged rhetoric, you automatically have to be declared the winner, even if you are far from making your case. LOL. ;)

You just called EVs "junk"

You hae a very bad reading comprehension problem. LOL.

I did say that CHINESE Evs are junk. Go back and find the correct statement from me and quote me correctly. LOL.

you total buffoon ...

Hey, you win the argument again. Personal attacks are the only way you can win, even if that's not true, or a way of making your case. LOL.

even though Ford CEO Farley (who knows the global auto/EV industry,

I think you already said that several times. Are you suffering from dementia? LOL.

far, Far, FAR, FAR

Repetition makes for good practice. LOL.

better than you ever will)

Repeating the same junk, over and over again, will not make it true. LOL.

said that Chinese EVs are so good that they pose an "existential threat"

Lower priced does not make them better. Dumping them will not make them better. Scaring people about Chinese junk will not help Farley sell more EVs. People aren't as stupid as he believes nor as stupid as you think they are.

to Ford (and the entire global auto industry).

Woah! The entire global auto industry??? OMG, we had better be scared! LOL.

You're so full of s*it,

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner! He who does the most personal attacks is the ultimate winner of any argument. No need to make his case. Insults are the best. LOL.

"adorno," that it's obvious to everyone ... who is sane.

I guess that leave you out. You're not sane. Look up the meaning of insanity and you'll see your picture there. LOL.

But nice try with desperately throwing your Demokrat girlfriend kamaLa into the mix.

Kamala is not a DEMOCRAT. (Don't be afraid to spell it cottectly). She is a socialist but more a communist. MuMdanie knows all about that. and Kamala does not appreciate you imitating her speeches and writing and communicating skills, though you do quite well at that. Don't deny it. LOL!

You're so hopelessly clueless

Yet, I'm the only one making sense here. LOL.

that you make Demokrat kamaLa look like Einstein.

You're so easy to manipulate, thet even my dog makes more sense than you. Kamala still doesn't appreciate you imitating her.

And, btw, when tested, my IQ was higher than Einstein's. LOL.

(And that's impossible to do, yet you just managed to do the impossible. Congrats!)

It's not impossible to have an IQ higher than Einstein. Plenty of people do. but NEVER you. LOL. But, you might have an IQ higher than my dog, but I doubt it. LOL

So keep making a total fool of yourself

It's impossible to make a fool of myself, when I'm making a total fool of YOU. LOL...

Kamala doesn't appreciate you trying to sound like her. Fool!

regarding "EVs vs ICE" ... keep digging your hole deeper & deeper ...

Oops! You caught be digging a hole. But, it's a hole to take me to China, so I can see how junky their junk EVs are, first-hand, and then I car report to Ford about how clueless he is about China's junk. LOL!

BTw, quit while you're behind, or you risk falling further behind. (Einstein said that). LOL!