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Why can't the West match Russia's ammunition production?
The Kyiv Independent ^ | June 12, 2025

Posted on 07/08/2025 9:29:23 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican

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1 posted on 07/08/2025 9:29:23 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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CHINA and North Korea are providing large amounts of materials!


2 posted on 07/08/2025 9:32:40 AM PDT by WellyP (question!)
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I do remember looking online for .223 ammo. The Russian one was .21 cents a round. All the rest were 25 and above.


3 posted on 07/08/2025 9:34:34 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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We don’t devote our entire economy to arms production, and forget about everything else. Russia is on a total war footing, and the civilian economy is going downhill rapidly. Shortages of common goods are widespread.


4 posted on 07/08/2025 9:36:08 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: MinorityRepublican

It may have been gun writer Patrick Sweeney who wrote, “If the Russians could make cartridges that worked, out of concrete, they would.”


5 posted on 07/08/2025 9:37:42 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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It’s cute that some people still believe a war can be fought and won with rifles.

EC


6 posted on 07/08/2025 9:41:24 AM PDT by Ex-Con777
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“Why can’t the West match Russia’s ammunition production?”

Because most men in the West don’t know which end of a screwdriver to hold. Not their fault either - we decided to be a ‘service economy’ built on ‘finance’ and lawyers suing doctors. Manufacturing, and the skills and education that went with it, was TOSSED ASIDE, as it meant getting our hands dirty.

We need at least a DECADE to straighten out yet I haven’t seen any signs of people in the West figuring this out.


7 posted on 07/08/2025 9:41:26 AM PDT by BobL
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"..I do remember looking online for .223 ammo. The Russian one was .21 cents a round. All the rest were 25 and above.."

Was that in recent history?
I'd like to see those $.25 cartridges. Most I see are in the "and above" category ~$.50

8 posted on 07/08/2025 9:42:45 AM PDT by CopperTop (Outside the wire it's just us chickens. Dig?)
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To: tumblindice

A couple of movies showed Russian soldiers charging unarmed into the enemy expecting to use the weapons dropped bye the fallen. Perhaps they never want to be in that position again.

Did we learn from Pearl Harbor or 911?


9 posted on 07/08/2025 9:44:07 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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The war in Ukraine highlighting the destruction of Americas infrastructure and industrial base, especially when it comes to chemical manufacturing

Virtually all of Americas specialty chemicals manufacturing has been driven offshore due to environmental regulations and Chinese companies competition


10 posted on 07/08/2025 9:44:32 AM PDT by rdcbn1 (TV )
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Good dose of reality. No western nation ( at this time) can match Russia’s manufacturing output.

Why? Good example ,Rheinmetal, Germany’s lead firm is experiencing shortages of many components….pre war, much was acquired from Russia….a 155mm artillery shell was produced for under $500, today, close to $4K.

Russia sits on $75 trillion of commodities and natural resources, they have everything they need, cheap.

Another example, facilities. Russia maintained all the facilities built since WW2, modernized over the decades. The western practice was to tear down all the old outdated factories and build new…..manufacturing starts with having a building to start production, the West lacks facilities to even start production.

The amount of Russian manufacturing facilities is mind boggling, all across Russia- from Moscow to east of the Urals.


11 posted on 07/08/2025 9:47:19 AM PDT by delta7
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“The amount of Russian manufacturing facilities is mind boggling, all across Russia- from Moscow to east of the Urals.”


Russia’s manufacturing sector recorded its sharpest downturn in more than three years in June, as weak domestic and international demand triggered renewed declines in new orders and output, S&P Global reported on June 30. (chart)

The headline S&P Global Russia Manufacturing Purchasing Managers’ Index (PMI) fell to 47.5 in June from 50.2 in May, signalling a solid deterioration in operating conditions. This was the third contraction in four months and the steepest since March 2022.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/russian-manufacturing-contracts-in-june-at-fastest-rate-in-three-years-to-47-5/ar-AA1HKIzB?ocid=finance-verthp-feeds


12 posted on 07/08/2025 9:52:47 AM PDT by TexasGator (.i.. logo About Issues Projects Products Connect Subscribe Invest June 19, 2025 | Insight '1-1111 -)
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https://www.defensemagazine.com/article/turkish-repkon-engages-in-the-combat-against-the-shortage-of-155-mm-artillery-ammunition

Dec. 1, 2024 EXCERPT:

Repkon, based in Istanbul, has in recent weeks taken significant steps worldwide to help address the shortage of artillery ammunition. Repkon gained considerable media attention in October when reports emerged about its plans to build a new production facility in Mesquite, Texas, USA, under an agreement with the US Department of Defense (DoD).

According to available information, the facility will be capable of producing approximately 30,000 155 mm shells per month, significantly boosting the production of this type of ammunition in the US. However, this is not the end of Repkon’s efforts in the field of artillery ammunition.

In early November, US arms authorities awarded Repkon – USA Defense LLC, which represents the Istanbul-based company in the US, a contract to build a new TNT production plant in Kentucky. According to US military officials, this project is critical for the further development of artillery ammunition production in the US, as well as for strengthening national security.

The value of this contract is $435 million, and DoD officials describe it as a significant step forward in TNT production over the past several decades.


13 posted on 07/08/2025 9:53:17 AM PDT by linMcHlp
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IIRC, Repkon (Mesquite, TX) Line 1 was supposed to be producing 2,500 155mm artillery shell parts per month, by June 15th. Or at least, that was the story 1 year ago.

14 posted on 07/08/2025 9:54:27 AM PDT by linMcHlp
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Army ‘considering terminating’ General Dynamics’ oversight of new 155mm production lines

15 posted on 07/08/2025 9:55:36 AM PDT by linMcHlp
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“Russia is on a total war footing, “

Which was funded by robbing their pension fund.

That has been depleted. Th gravy train is over,


16 posted on 07/08/2025 9:55:39 AM PDT by TexasGator (.i.. logo About Issues Projects Products Connect Subscribe Invest June 19, 2025 | Insight '1-1111 -)
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Because slave labor in North Korea isn’t available to the US?


17 posted on 07/08/2025 10:03:47 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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Our Civilian market seems to be
Flooded and prices are cheapest in 4 yrs
So Ammo Up all You Cowboys!


18 posted on 07/08/2025 10:05:00 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (ALL Things Will be Revealed !)
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Never mind the pension fund - they’re robbing everything. The banks have been forced to use all their money to make loans to defense contractors that will never be paid back - so depositors are now prohibited from withdrawing their money.

Anyone who doesn’t like it may meet with an unfortunate accident....


19 posted on 07/08/2025 10:05:26 AM PDT by proxy_user
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Was the cheaper stuff steel cased? I wouldn’t feed my AR or my Mini steel cased ammunition unless there was no other option.


20 posted on 07/08/2025 10:06:09 AM PDT by Antihero101607
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