Posted on 04/04/2025 1:56:41 PM PDT by hardspunned
The fact that this double + top secret is out just proves that they have already been infiltrated.
These things have to funded. Follow the money.
Sounds awful insurrectiony to me.
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Treason. It should get RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act) charges.
Well President Trump wins again getting deep state to out itself.
We are not everyone else! A shadow government is seditious, treasonous and a domestic enemy of the Republic!
No, it isn't. Do you even know the definition of sedition, or of treason? How about looking them up?
Because having a "shadow" Administration that just speaks up on issues doesn't qualify as either. It's the same as we have with the party out of power criticizing the one in power, except with completely informal titles attached. It's pure free political speech/free assembly. And as I said, the Dems won't be able to pull it off because they don't have a strong enough party hierarchy.
Were you so eager to shut down lawful dissent during the Biden Administration? Because if you try to do it now, it will happen to us next time. Although as I said, the Marines aren't going to help you out on this one.
This is like the first term but on steroids.
It won’t work.
I do know what it is and come from a USMC family and am close personal friends with G7 level command.There is a such a thing as Constitutional opposition which in a sense a “shadow” which provides legal oversight. Then there is the illegal kind like what Obama has done and still continues to do which is treasonous and subversive. This is nothing but semantics here.
Well now you’re changing what you said, and it isn’t just semantics. But go ahead, tell me how that fits the legal definition of “sedition”. That was the word you used, so defend it.
No it is sure is semantics. If it does not fall within the strict limits and framework as clearly mandated in the Constitution it is illegitimate and therefore seditious as it has no legal authority. There is no wiggle room. It usually will follow this pattern of behavior which we have seen being instigated even by those elected in the government who engage in these behaviors:
Seditious” outside the context of the Constitution generally refers to behavior or speech that incites rebellion or unrest against the government, or that promotes violence or the overthrow of the established order, though it’s important to note that the term’s legal meaning and application can vary.
Here’s a more detailed explanation:
General Definition:
“Seditious” typically describes actions or words that are intended to encourage or promote rebellion, disorder, or the overthrow of a government.
Examples:
This can include inciting violence, advocating for the overthrow of the government, or spreading propaganda that undermines public trust in the government or its institutions.
Legal Context:
While the term “seditious” is often used in a general sense, it also has a specific legal meaning, particularly in relation to laws against sedition or seditious conspiracy.
Seditious Conspiracy:
In the United States, seditious conspiracy is a federal crime defined as an agreement by two or more people to overthrow, put down, or destroy by force the government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof.
First Amendment:
It’s important to note that while seditious speech is not protected under the First Amendment, the government must still prove that the speech is intended to incite imminent lawless action and is likely to do so.
Historical Context:
The concept of sedition and seditious libel has a long history, with laws against such activities being used to suppress dissent and maintain political power.
Examples of Historical Sedition Laws:
The Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798, for example, were enacted to suppress criticism of the Federalist government, and the Espionage Act of 1917 and the Sedition Act of 1918 were used to suppress dissent during World War I.
Modern Relevance:
While the term “sedition” is often associated with historical events, it remains relevant in contemporary discussions about political unrest, extremism, and the potential for violence.
"...or spreading propaganda that undermines public trust in the government or its institutions."
You do realize that was exactly what Democrats and the media were saying about those of us who opposed their agenda during the Obama and Biden administrations, right? The entire "Deep State" narrative that has been pushed by Trump supporters and conservatives rightfully "undermines public trust in government and its institutions" because they deserved to have that trust undermined.
You exemplify a very dangerous mindset. You support dissent and criticism of the government and ruling party unless it happens to be the people you like, in which case you want it suppressed.
At least in this country, which properly values freedom of speech and assembly, we have the right to denigrate, criticize, and even lie about the government if we don't like it. The only thing our laws prohibit is advocating violence. A so-called shadow cabinet does not equal violence, and is not - and should not be - unlawful.
I also said “It usually will follow this pattern of behavior which we have seen being instigated even by those elected in the government who engage in these behaviors”
We’ve seen our elected gov’t officials abuse the system and they need to held accountable. They can break the law and endanger the Constitution.
You wrote : “At least in this country, which properly values freedom of speech and assembly, we have the right to denigrate, criticize” I agree here
“and even lie about the government if we don’t like it.”
You can be sued for Defamation
“The only thing our laws prohibit is advocating violence”
I agree an we have many people doing it right now and the it sure looks like the JFK files showed an internal plot against the POTUS and it looks like people in our own gov’t has initiated plots against Trump.
That leaves the military to protect the Constitution against such things.
Sure you can - but you can't be charged criminally for it, which is what you said should be done to those wanting to form a "shadow cabinet". And you can only be sued for defaming people, not the government itself.
That aside, there's also the issue of who determines what a lie actually is, and that's where the damn war is. Remember what they did during Covid? Who determined what was a "lie" back then? What did they do to people who "lied" about Covid, or "destroyed trust" in the government? Yet that's the exact road you want to go down. actually worse, because you want to prosecute for "sedition" or "treason" those who disparage the government.
You, and people who think like you in terms of shutting down dissent, are the biggest threat to this country.
Do you think Obama and the Deep States Shadow government is a good thing in line with what you are stating?
Congressional Democrats just had their first “shadow government” hearing.
“We brought together both chambers of Congress to conduct real oversight & to serve as a check & balance, to hold those who issue power to account & to carry out a constitutional duty.”
https://x.com/DerrickEvans4WV/status/1909352171826823563
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