Posted on 02/22/2025 5:38:34 AM PST by george76
Exactly true.
Opinions are not facts. And with this falsehood, “2 May 2014: Massacre of Russian-speaking Ukrainians in Odessa by thugs bussed in from Kyiv – triggering the civil war,” we know that the author is working with Russian lies rather than with facts.
Zeepers will deny this.
They do not like history, preferring intelligence propaganda.
This has been the narrative for decades, and now that President Trump begins to strip away the shadows from USAID -- one agency among many -- and more documented revelations come to light about Nuland and an "activist" and regime-change oriented State Department -- the image of these United States has been sullied courtesy of the Democrats and their allies in the neo-con RINOs.
Some documentaiton:
Pyatt: Yeah I saw that.To accept wholly the narrative -- "The good guys are all in the West and the bad guys in the East." -- one must accept that the Obama-Biden administration, the Biden-Harris administration are part of the "good guys."Nuland: OK. He's now gotten both Serry and [UN Secretary General] Ban Ki-moon to agree that Serry could come in Monday or Tuesday. So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and to have the UN help glue it and, you know, F**k the EU. [ BBC prints the vulgarity. ]
Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call BBC, 7 February 2024.
'F**k the EU,' US envoy says in leaked recording France 24, 14 February 2014.
Which Freeper will assert that? The thread title is "The United States and NATO meticulously orchestrated the 2014 Maidan coup in Ukraine." The Democrats and neo-cons think this and are proud of it. President Trump will therefore draw their ire each day he re-structures that "narrative."
FAFO.
OBAMA!
Nuland wanted to force the protesters into making a deal with Yanukovich and she obviously didn’t get what she wanted because Yanukovich is gone.
Something that the conspiracy minded people probably don’t even know. Yes, she had an arrogant phone call with her employee. No, she didn’t end up getting what she said she would.
For people who don’t know. USAID works out of US embassies and NGOs, behind the backs of elected governments, and then get their local proxies to OVERTHROW their elected governments and install a government subservient to LEFTISTs in the US, as we see with Ukraine.
And once the that new government is in place, they then move to solidify that government via taking over all forms of media and education (remember Ukraine admitting that USAID funds 80 to 90% of their media). Also, in the case of Ukraine, the US quickly got to work to train their Brownshirts, the Azovs (Nazis), in order to make certain that their newly-installed government doesn’t have local opposition.
https://apnews.com/general-news-2aaecd43ff0546cda48c79bd68fb3a08
...and then the Neocons got their war with Russia.
If the U.S. really did this, then the U.S. bears much guilt for Ukraine's woes. In which case, is Trump justified in demanding Ukraine's "mineral rights"?
“Something that the conspiracy minded people probably don’t even know. Yes, she had an arrogant phone call with her employee. No, she didn’t end up getting what she said she would.”
Anyone who knows Nuland’s UKRAINIAN background knows that she got EXACTLY the government she wanted.
If the U.S. really did this, then the U.S. bears much guilt for Ukraine’s woes. In which case, is Trump justified in demanding Ukraine’s “mineral rights”?
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Ukraine owes us the minerals to repay the billions the US poured into this losing war with Russia.
It would be interesting for you to cite some documentation for the above assertion. Will you?
“breaking rocks in prison” isn’t really going to be enough...think more like - hanging upside down from an Italian gas station overhead...
It’s a negotiation.
Our government today is vastly different than under obama and later, biden.
We contributed a ridiculous amount of money.
Trump is trying to recover some.
I suspect more is happening than we know by this move.
If a foreign nation overthrew Trump in a coup, would you say the U.S. owed billions to that nation under any circumstances?
The U.S. should never have interfered. Not with the coup. Not with egging Ukraine into war with Russia. Not with pumping money into Ukraine to keep the war -- and the casualties -- going.
The U.S. should now just end all aid, to all nations, and walk away.
How many times will we hear this speculative song??
Well, yes. And Adenauer was vastly different than Hitler. But that didn't absolve Germany from past guilt.
Does Trump's election absolve the U.S. from all its misdeeds under Biden and Obama?
The U.S. should never have interfered. Not with the coup. Not with egging Ukraine into war with Russia. Not with pumping money into Ukraine to keep the war — and the casualties — going.
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Zelensky and the Biden administration used Ukraine to launder money and get rich, set up biolabs. Yes, I know about the hypocrisy and the manipulation by Obozo and his minions. I still think that Ukraine was not innocent in the whole thing and owes the US.
Much of this is just Russian propaganda.
I know people who have ties to Ukraine and visit there often.
There was a lot of anti-Russian sentiment, and now there is a lot more, because of the war.
Both sides, Russian and the US under Obama were working hard to influence Ukrainian politics.
To claim there was only a NATO influence, and there wasn’t any organic discontent with Russian corruption and influence, is simply wrong.
This is not simple good-guy bad-guy stuff. The hard-core bad stuff was done by Putin and the Russians.
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