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The B-21 Raider Has Only 1 True Enemy
The National Interest ^ | 8/8/2024 | Harrison Kass

Posted on 08/08/2024 9:22:19 AM PDT by whyilovetexas111

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To: alternatives?

Diffusion panels and mixing in fresh cool air via intakes under the bottom of the plane.


21 posted on 08/08/2024 10:19:05 AM PDT by mabarker1 ( (Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!! A fraud, a hypocrite, a liar. I'm a member of Congress!!!)
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To: Carriage Hill
How do we refueld/recharge that many drones, even in “shifts”?

We can have thousands of drones flying at any one time, and fueling a thousand drones might be less costly than fueling one giant bomber. One drone can stay aloft for many hours, and they can take turns with operations.
22 posted on 08/08/2024 10:35:40 AM PDT by adorno (CCH)
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To: mabarker1

Good luck with that.


23 posted on 08/08/2024 10:36:36 AM PDT by alternatives?
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To: Red Badger

A 2024 plane based on 1944 German aeronautical engineering.


24 posted on 08/08/2024 10:41:19 AM PDT by Right Brother (From Biden to Harris. From pee pads to kneepads.)
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To: Gen.Blather
And they would be powered by?

The same stuff that powers our drones now.
25 posted on 08/08/2024 10:51:20 AM PDT by adorno (CCH)
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To: whyilovetexas111
So many weapon systems were developed for a specific purpose then evolved to excel in a different mission. Look at the ROI the B-52 got us.

Yet the libs scream and yell about the expense every chance they get. I'm sure that started when some tribes went to the bow and arrow after using spears.

26 posted on 08/08/2024 11:04:29 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: adorno
since the drones would not have the same stealthiness of the B-21.

You sure about that?

27 posted on 08/08/2024 11:06:06 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: pfflier
You sure about that?
You know something our military doesn't, or that the world doesn't know?
28 posted on 08/08/2024 11:11:04 AM PDT by adorno (CCH)
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To: whyilovetexas111

Please tell me I am wrong!


You are - because the plane is designed to be pilotless as well as with humans in it who could control a flight of drones.


29 posted on 08/08/2024 11:12:56 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Carry_Okie

A horde of small-nuke-armed drones is a vastly cheaper platform in terms of devastation on targets per dollar

Yes, but they have to be controlled from somewhere nearby, as satellites can and will be knocked out. Hence the B-21


30 posted on 08/08/2024 11:15:27 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Carriage Hill

The MIC LOVES to spend OUR money.

and if they did not, who would defend you with what? Strongly worded letters do not cut the mustard.


31 posted on 08/08/2024 11:16:53 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: adorno
You know something our military doesn't, or that the world doesn't know?

I'm pretty sure DARPA does. And I repeat to your first claim, "You sure about that?"

32 posted on 08/08/2024 11:20:15 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: PIF
Yes, but they have to be controlled from somewhere nearby, as satellites can and will be knocked out. Hence the B-21

No, for a NUKE inertial guidance is of sufficient accuracy.

33 posted on 08/08/2024 11:27:43 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: pfflier
I'm pretty sure DARPA does. And I repeat to your first claim, "You sure about that?"

And I repeat: Is there something you know that the world doesn't know about? DARPA is about weapons research, so, what part of the drones are stealthy and DEPLOYED or ready for the battlefield?
34 posted on 08/08/2024 11:38:25 AM PDT by adorno (CCH)
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To: Red Badger

Good investment own the night.


35 posted on 08/08/2024 12:05:06 PM PDT by Vaduz
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To: adorno
As soon as those drones are dropped, the position of the B-21 would be revealed, since the drones would not have the same stealthiness of the B-21.

The drones that are being developed are very stealthy, but it is important to understand that the purpose of stealth is not necessarily to make an aircraft completely invisible to radar. If that can be achieved then of course it’s great, but what really matters is preventing anti-air systems from being able to target the aircraft. Even if the enemy is able to see the aircraft, that’s of little value if their fire control radars can’t lock onto it.

It’s far easier to detect something than to target it. Second, as far as automation and someone’s contention that we don’t need the B-21 because unmanned drones can do its job, the B-21 reportedly is capable of operating in either manned or unmanned modes, depending upon mission requirements. The B-21 is far larger than any drone, so can carry a much larger payload, and where a single aircraft, or a few aircraft meet the mission needs, it would be foolish to send dozens of drones instead. For one thing, the B-21, like the B-2, will have global range, while much smaller drones would likely need to be refueled more often. Imagine one B-21 being capable of flying all the way to a target and only needing to refuel once on the way back, versus let’s say a half dozen drones (just to make up a number - I suspect it could be higher) that would all have to refuel on the way there and on the way back, possibly multiple times. That’s a huge difference in the logistics required, and the number of tankers loitering out there, loitering out there possibly being detected or becoming targets themselves.

We need both the B-21 and combat drones, but they fill very different roles. And until automation (AI) reaches a point where it can be trusted to react correctly to dynamically changing combat conditions, and to make the decision to release weapons, manned aircraft will still be at the center of any attack, with drones possibly serving as force multipliers under the control of the manned aircraft’s crew.

36 posted on 08/08/2024 12:16:25 PM PDT by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Carry_Okie

No, for a NUKE inertial guidance is of sufficient accuracy.


Not taking about nukes just Drones vs manned


37 posted on 08/08/2024 12:17:50 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: whyilovetexas111

Still a lot of secrecy about this plane. For all we know at this point, it may well be a drone.


38 posted on 08/08/2024 12:33:10 PM PDT by CodeJockey (I'd like to change the world, but they won't give me the source code.)
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To: PIF
Not taking about nukes just Drones vs manned

I WAS talking about drone nukes, when you "corrected" me with data that reinforced my point: that this manned bomber is about placing numerous high-accuracy conventional weapons. It is not a deterrant against a nuclear power; it is a weapon with which to enforce globalist dominance against those powers who are not nuclear.

Hence, why do we really need it for national defense? That money would be better spent elsewhere.

39 posted on 08/08/2024 12:59:11 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: adorno

“The same stuff that powers our drones now.”

That would be diesel, gas or lithium. The US is thousands of miles away from places where we’d be using drones. You have to get them there. You have to maintain them while they’re there. Some drones may last from fifteen minutes to two hours. You have to be someplace close to control them and then refuel or recharge them. Thousands of drones hovering over a battlefield would have a fantastic logistics, maintenance and re-ordinance tail requiring hundreds of people who also must be sustained and maintained. This is why we have huge intercontinental drones that are the size of small planes and those aren’t going to work over a battlefield contested by a near peer. They work fine in places where the guys you’re after don’t have radar or missiles that can reach high altitude. This is why we have the Spirit bomber, B-52’s and some of the largest navy ships in the world. It’s thirteen thousand miles to get to most of the places we need them to be and then they have to maintain themselves long enough to be useful. The Chinese, for example, have adopted a strategy of area denial. We won’t be able to have bases in Guam maintaining drones as, regardless of what we put there to defend it, the Chinese have enough assets to take it out. Everything will come from very far away, stay briefly and then go home.

Having said all that, those huge ships and long-distance planes, when they arrive, will be subject to guys on the ground with small, short-range drones. Defending against those will be the issue, as the Russian fleet has learned.

Drones are fine and have their place, but that place is not everywhere.


40 posted on 08/08/2024 1:18:11 PM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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