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Russia says it will respond to Finland giving U.S. access to bases
Reuters ^ | 07 03 2024 | Staff

Posted on 07/05/2024 6:13:16 AM PDT by yesthatjallen

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To: yesthatjallen

Does the voting public want a war with Russia? Show me the polling data..


21 posted on 07/05/2024 8:43:28 AM PDT by blackberry1
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To: yesthatjallen

Imagine if Russia or China were doing the same thing in Mexico and what our response would be.


22 posted on 07/05/2024 8:44:01 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: tlozo
You're desperate for a war with Russia, one that could lead to WW III or nuclear war, aren't you?

There is NO chance we'd tolerate China or Mexico doing something similar in Mexico. We didn't tolerate decades ago in Cuba.

You and your fellow warmongers are sick, twist freeps.

23 posted on 07/05/2024 8:45:46 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: wiseprince
If they are not a threat then why does NATO need a build up and more members? Why does NATO need bases in Findland, Ukraine and the like?

NATO is only a threat the way a bulletproof vest is a threat to a gun.


24 posted on 07/05/2024 8:47:50 AM PDT by tlozo ( Trump: "As everyone agrees, Ukraine Survival and Strength...is also important to us!" )
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To: Kazan
You're desperate for a war with Russia

No, I believe countries have a right to be free and independent, and that they have a right to self-defense. We are providing weapons to Ukraine, for self-defense.


25 posted on 07/05/2024 8:51:25 AM PDT by tlozo ( Trump: "As everyone agrees, Ukraine Survival and Strength...is also important to us!" )
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To: tlozo
NO, you don't.

You fully supported the illegal coup in Ukraine in 2014 that resulted in democratically-elected President from office, one that the people in Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk VOTED FOR.

The people in those regions HAD NO OBLIGATION to remain part of a Ukrainian nationalist government that was determined to persecute, kill or drive them out of their homeland.

Those people had EVERY right to seek their independence and/or join the Russian Federation.

Ukraine is a tyrannical hellhole. Zelensky has banned opposition parties and media and cancelled elections. He's imprisoned opposition leaders and dissents, including American Gonzalo Lira, who was murdered while in prison. He's torn down churches.

Take your phony, smug, fake self-righteous and shove it.

God is cursing Ukraine and the globalist elite that wanted this proxy war with Russia so it could get its grubby hands on the $10 to $12 trillion dollars of resources in Ukraine.

26 posted on 07/05/2024 9:00:11 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: tlozo

Reagan, If he had lived to witness the never-ending neocon losing wars,
might not be so clear about joining every war every time...


27 posted on 07/05/2024 9:02:18 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (🦅 MAGADONIAN ⚔️ )
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Reagan, If he had lived to witness the never-ending neocon losing wars

Which is why Reagan gave the mujaheddin everything they needed to win, including stingers. Vs Biden who is still stopping Ukraine from attacking military airports in Russia.

28 posted on 07/05/2024 9:18:58 AM PDT by tlozo ( Trump: "As everyone agrees, Ukraine Survival and Strength...is also important to us!" )
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To: Kazan
You fully supported the illegal coup in Ukraine in 2014

Its not 2014, its 2024. Ukraine has had two free and fair elections since 2014.

Spain once had a coup, does that mean that the present elected government is illegitimate? Nonsense

The people in those regions HAD NO OBLIGATION to remain part of a Ukrainian

Actually they did. As in Russia and the rest of the world, localities cannot declare their own "independence".

29 posted on 07/05/2024 9:23:27 AM PDT by tlozo ( Trump: "As everyone agrees, Ukraine Survival and Strength...is also important to us!" )
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To: tlozo

Different time in history.


30 posted on 07/05/2024 9:28:10 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (🦅 MAGADONIAN ⚔️ )
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To: yesthatjallen

We are Rome. Still fighting Persia as the empire crumbles around us.


31 posted on 07/05/2024 9:31:51 AM PDT by x
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No, that’s silly. NATO costs a lot of money. If there is no credible threat then it’s really up to NATO to justify the cost. That’s how I see it. If Russia isn’t dangerous then why is the cost justified?


32 posted on 07/05/2024 10:01:24 AM PDT by wiseprince (Me)
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To: wiseprince
If Russia isn’t dangerous then why is the cost justified?

Dangerous to who? Ukraine? Finland? Estonia? Latvia?

Finland dropped its 50 year neutrality agreement with Russia, realizing the treaty was worthless.


33 posted on 07/05/2024 10:53:59 AM PDT by tlozo ( Trump: "As everyone agrees, Ukraine Survival and Strength...is also important to us!" )
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The people in those regions HAD NO OBLIGATION to remain part of a Ukrainian nationalist government that was determined to persecute, kill or drive them out of their homeland.

Those people had EVERY right to seek their independence and/or join the Russian Federation.

So why didn't they join the Russian Federation by moving there? If Mexicans don't like living in the US they should move back to Mexico, not encourage the Mexican government to invade the US and annex California, Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico, all of which were historically part of Mexico but are now considered part of the US by a treaty signed by both nations. How is the situation with Ukraine and Russia any different?

God is cursing Ukraine...

If God is cursing Ukraine, then God must also be cursing Russia. 8.3% inflation rate and likely to increase further as sanctions continue to hit. For comparison, the most recent calculation of inflation in Biden's America is 3.3%.
Inflation in Russia
Inflation in US

...and the globalist elite that wanted this proxy war with Russia so it could get its grubby hands on the $10 to $12 trillion dollars of resources in Ukraine.

And who is currently in possession of Ukraine's resources? Not NATO. I find it hard to believe that the "globalist elite" is smart enough to take over NATO and smart enough to trick Russia into a war she allegedly didn't want, but too stupid to actually get its hands on these natural resources.

34 posted on 07/05/2024 12:23:20 PM PDT by FormerFRLurker ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"-Voltaire)
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To: tlozo

The cost still has not been justified and I suppose it’s because it really can’t be justified. They scream Russia, Russia, Russia and then they tell us that Russia is weak economically and militarily. In this case, justify the cost of NATO. They are just stealing from the people and that much is obvious. I’ll remind everyone that the US with all it’s military expenditures couldn’t beat the Taliban inside of 20 years. It’s a very big waste of money. If NATO is a deterrent against China then say so but as described, NATO is junk.


35 posted on 07/05/2024 1:14:12 PM PDT by wiseprince (Me)
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To: FormerFRLurker
So why didn't they join the Russian Federation by moving there?

Oh, so like Jews in Germany during the Nazis' reign, you just think they should have been forced to leave or allowed themselves to be killed.

No wonder you're such a fun of the nation of neo-Nazism.

36 posted on 07/05/2024 3:18:12 PM PDT by Kazan
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God must also be cursing Russia.

You're delusional.

Russia had a 5.4% growth rate in the first quarter of this year.

Russia's GDP increased by 5.4% in the first quarter of the year, said Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin on Thursday.

"At the beginning of this year, Russia's economy continues to develop dynamically. According to preliminary estimates, the gross domestic product grew by 5.4% in the first quarter," Mishustin said at a meeting of the Russian government, adding that industrial production increased by 5.2% in the same period.

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Russia is now considered a high-income country:

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/despite-war-and-sanctions-russia-becomes-a-high-income-economy/articleshow/111463177.cms?from=mdr

Despite Western sanctions over the Ukraine war, Russia has transitioned from an upper-middle to a high-income economy, according to the World Bank's latest rankings. Factors such as increased military activity, a rebound in trade and construction, and growth in the financial sector contributed to this shift

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You're supernatural blinded by the evil you support.

37 posted on 07/05/2024 3:59:48 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan
For the third time this week, do you support Mexico invading the American Southwest because ethnic Mexicans complain of mistreatment here (I dare say some even compare us Anglos to Nazis too) or do you think such people should move back to Mexico? Stop dodging the question.

You're supernatural blinded by the evil you support.

No wonder you're such a fun of the nation of neo-Nazism.

Right, I'm so "supernatural blinded" that I reply more than once to the same comment with typos in both. Maybe you're rage-posting. Or maybe you need to brush up on your English skills. No vodka money for you tonight!

38 posted on 07/06/2024 7:48:43 AM PDT by FormerFRLurker ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"-Voltaire)
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To: FormerFRLurker
For the third time this week, do you support Mexico invading the American Southwest

It's straw man of an analogy.

The proper analogy would be if the Biden regime rigged another election and Texas sought to join Mexico and sought out help from the Mexican government (which it would never do). In that, scenario, YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT I'd support the Mexican government helping the state of Texas.

39 posted on 07/06/2024 1:14:08 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: FormerFRLurker
It takes someone morally depraved to support an illegal coup that throws a democratically-elected President out of office and supports a rogue regime oppressing those that were the victims of that coup.

You're no better than someone that voted for the Nazis in Germany in the 1930s.

You fully support the people of Donetsk and Lugansk being persecuted, driven out of their homes and being murdered by a regime that came to power illegal.

You are evil personified.

40 posted on 07/06/2024 1:19:48 PM PDT by Kazan
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