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Russian shell production three times greater than of Ukraine's allies
The Kyiv Independent ^ | May 26, 2024 | Dominic Culverwell

Posted on 05/26/2024 7:53:12 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican

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To: Reverend Wright

You don’t know much about the military and it shows, it was good that you avoided it.


61 posted on 05/26/2024 10:58:21 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12

One doesn’t need to have gone to Staff College to know that:

Terrorist group blockades Suez Canal for months = US military fail.


62 posted on 05/26/2024 11:06:35 AM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: jerod
So this is why Russia is winning? Oh... That’s right, they aren’t winning.

The Ukraine is winning and does not need our bilions anymore.

Ukraine victory day parade next Saturday. Then the Zelensky can have elections.

63 posted on 05/26/2024 11:14:32 AM PDT by woodpusher
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To: Reverend Wright

ah ha, I see. the 155 “shell” is essentially the actual projectile, I obviously not fluent in artillery. I was thinking brass shells, thanks for the correction and carry on.


64 posted on 05/26/2024 11:18:37 AM PDT by crosdaddy
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To: crosdaddy

Yes. Shells that size are two piece. Propellant is separate from projectile.

The USA 155 uses fabric bags of propellant. The Russians have metal ones.


65 posted on 05/26/2024 11:27:29 AM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Thud
The Russians will be down to rocket artillery alone by the end of the year, and those have such shorter ranges than tube artillery that they are much more vulnerable to drone attack.

The Russians have upgraded to the new Mark V Hypersonic Shovel and continue to advance against the collapsing Ukrainian lines.

66 posted on 05/26/2024 11:36:54 AM PDT by woodpusher
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To: ansel12; Steven Tyler
the NATO countries are trying to incorporate increased production at a profitable permanent basis, a long term increase that makes sense budget wise and meets their nation’s needs and some for Ukraine.

Producing the requisite quantity at a profitable permanent basis would require the permanent ex penditure of rounds at the current time, i.e., it would require the war to go on indefinitely, or for a new war to take its place.

Profitable mass supply requires mass demand.

There is no foreseeable great future demand for Ukraine. It will not survive that long. When Odesa goes, Ukraine's future as a nation state goes with it.

67 posted on 05/26/2024 11:57:03 AM PDT by woodpusher
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To: Pete Dovgan
PS, the US has spend a great amount of money to bring new shell Production on line, with three new plants. Historically, artillery is something the US always seems to figure out.

Something the general public, (and especially the pro-Russia doomsayers), don't know is that for decades the U.S. Gov has had packages shell-making machine tools mothballed in an activity called the Defense Industrial Plant Equipment Command (DIPEC). I haven't been in contact with DIPEC for over thirty years, but it would be interesting to know whether some of this machinery is being taken out of it's wrappings and readied for use somewhere. Perhaps some FR internet sleuths can find out.

68 posted on 05/26/2024 11:59:14 AM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: woodpusher

Countries want to renew their own stocks with replacements and upgrades and have learned that they should have greater amounts of some items than they previously thought.

Right now there is a large international market for Western artillery shells, missiles and military equipment and manufacturers are rising to meet that demand, it isn’t just Ukraine


69 posted on 05/26/2024 12:07:26 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: imabadboy99

Finally someone besides me said it. Now why would jews want to wipe out Christians in the Ukraine. Why are antichristian freepers siding with the synagogue of satan.


70 posted on 05/26/2024 12:08:21 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: Navy Patriot; gleeaikin; AdmSmith; USA-FRANCE; BroJoeK; canuck_conservative; blitz128; BeauBo; ...
Thanks for outing yourself as a MIC Traitor, constantly plotting to get around Congressional oversight.

"Congressional oversight" - that's a laugh. What these monkeys were always trying to do was force the DoD or the contractors to steer money to their districts, regardless of the benefit to the nation. They thought that their exalted office made them dictators. One of the more corrupt games they had given themselves is the power of the Small Business Administration to over-rule DoD contract decisions, and they used this to steer money, usually to some unqualified vendor. I've seen this first-hand. My employers were more than once called in to clean up a mess that one of these SBA "beneficiaries" created.

Thankfully this racket only applies to companies that meet the size standard in the North American Industry Classification Systems, so it doesn't affect most of the defense industry.

The DoD people I dealt with were honest to a fault. They had a rulebook, (the massive DFARS) and they followed it very, very strictly. Bottom line, the corruption isn't in the so-called "Deep State" as you imagine, it's right out in front of you....in Congress.

71 posted on 05/26/2024 12:33:31 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: imabadboy99; I got the rope

“”””Tucker pointed out that the MIC is charging US taxpayers like 200K for a missile they’re shipping to ukraine.””””

That sentence didn’t make sense, is a private company charging it, is the American military charging it to pay for more modern versions that we want for replacements of the old stuff, is it the Jews charging it like ‘I got the rope’ says, and what is the difference between the $200K missile we supply and the $20K missile you say Ukraine uses in place of it?


72 posted on 05/26/2024 12:59:34 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Svartalfiar
NATO strategy isn't trench warfare. If us and Russia went all out, it'll be a near-repeat of the Gulf invasion.

I'm trying to understand what NATO's purpose and specific goals would be to escalate the present proxy/logistics/supply war, to the next step of having NATO troops on the ground.

Russia is ZERO strategic threat to the EU or USA anywhere else in the world. So is it merely to extend and preserve Ukraine's client status to NATO?

So that means NATO fighting in Ukraine. And how do they intend to "defeat" Russia - on Russia's own borders no less? This is attempting a feat which the Ottomans, French, English, Germans (twice) have been unable to achieve in the last 200 years.

Good luck with that. Please don't involve me or my kin in this fantasy.

73 posted on 05/26/2024 1:11:53 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

Not shocked.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they left it mothballed and spent ten times the money to build new stuff.


74 posted on 05/26/2024 3:23:03 PM PDT by Pete Dovgan (Repeatedl)
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To: ansel12

Here’s a transript, globohomo. Stop being a stooge for the MIC. Or is that where your bread is buttered?

“For 20 years of global war on terror, you were fighting against a very comparatively unsophisticated enemy. Now, in a big state on state type war, the us systems are not holding up. You know, the Javelin missile? Which javelin, which Raytheon sells to the taxpayers for $200,000 a shot with a $300,000 command launch unit, the Ukrainians can only use that for the first shot in a. In an ambush because their ir detector. If they shoot the first tank, the tank is very hot. It’s burning. If they try to shoot a second and third missile, the other missiles go for the very hot spot on the battlefield. They can’t even discern. So then the Ukrainian shift from a $200,000 missile from the Americans to one that they build themselves for $29,000. And it works just as well, and.”

Erik Prince: CIA Corruption, Killer Drones, and Government Surveillance
The Tucker Carlson Show


75 posted on 05/26/2024 3:48:26 PM PDT by imabadboy99
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To: imabadboy99

Well globohomo, you could have just said it was a private company you were talking about.

It seems they are having to almost double their production to meet the international demand for the product.


76 posted on 05/26/2024 4:16:36 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12
Right now there is a large international market for Western artillery shells, missiles and military equipment and manufacturers are rising to meet that demand, it isn’t just Ukraine.

Right now, there isn't enough supply to meet the demands of the Ukraine. Nobody knows when the Ukraine will fall to zero demand, so the private sector cannot create new manufacturing plants for a demand that may disappear months from now.

77 posted on 05/26/2024 4:57:49 PM PDT by woodpusher
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To: jerod

“So this is why Russia is winning? Oh... That’s right, they aren’t winning.

Oh well... At least they can make cheap shells... I wonder... How many of them are duds”

And, as the article states, Ukrainian artillery fire is accurate.


78 posted on 05/26/2024 5:02:48 PM PDT by Armscor38
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To: MinorityRepublican

Does Russian artillery production keep up? Artillery tubes wear out and have to be replaced. As the wear increases, accuracy and safety for the crew decrease.


79 posted on 05/26/2024 5:05:24 PM PDT by Armscor38
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To: woodpusher

I keep trying to tell you there is demand far beyond Ukraine, and what survives of Ukraine will also need a military buildup after this war, as will the rest of Europe.

Neither America or any other country is sending all of their new purchases to Ukraine, there is also the Pacific allies and India who are buying product and intend to for a long time while Israel of course has a lot of buying to do.

The world wants American/Western artillery and manufacturing is reacting to that.


80 posted on 05/26/2024 5:06:39 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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