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Middle-Class Californians Set To Pay Electricity Premium As State Makes Electric Car Push
Washington Free Beacon ^ | May 10, 2024 | Susannah Luthi

Posted on 05/10/2024 4:58:41 PM PDT by george76

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To: Steely Tom

“Joe says ‘they have the money.’”

Wait until the sun rises again in the eastern US.


21 posted on 05/10/2024 5:33:41 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I have spent very little time in California. But I feel that I understand why it was viewed as a place to go.

Big. Beautiful. Ocean. Mountains. Cities. Wealth. Roads. Cars. Weather. Forests. History. Industry. Culture. Coastline. Wealth.

They are trying their hardest to kill it. And succeeding. I wish I had been there back in the 50’s. A lot going on.

Damn them. Damn them all. Every damn thing they touch turns to shit.

Everything.


22 posted on 05/10/2024 5:33:50 PM PDT by rlmorel (In Today's Democrat America, The $5 Dollar Bill is the New $1 Dollar Bill.)
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To: george76

My wife and I are in our mid 80’s.

About a decade plus, we decide to stay where (Age in place), we live with good neighbors and in a great place.

We spent 20 K+, having our home retroed to handle the hot spells and cold spells. For example, it is now 95 degrees outside and inside without AC, we have a comfortable 75.

With the annual price increases, our monthly bill in spite of the above is averaging $350 to $450 per month. Our home is constantly in the most efficient 10% of similar size homes.

As an example, now, the outside temp is 92-95, and it is 75 in our family room and our living/eating area. The outside temp will drop to 72 by bedtime.


23 posted on 05/10/2024 5:43:20 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ((“Surrender often means wisely accommodating to what is beyond our control!” )—Sylvia Boorstein.))
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To: george76

The California “green” agenda is itself a significant reason California electric ultiity rates are the 5th highest in the nation.

A few of the causes:

1. Electricity providerers are required by law in Callifornia to obtain X % of their electricity from more expensive “renewables” like wind and solar, though less expensive wholesale sharing on the grid is available.

2. Rooftop solar is an additional cost born by everyone who uses the grid. (A) Supplying the massive electricity to the grid has fixed costs no matter the number of customers who need the open lines at any time. So when fewer customers actually on the grid (like residential rooftop solar users) those fixed costs have to be born by the rest of the customers. Solar users go up, the grids fixed costs to everyone else goes up. (B) The grid suppliers are required by California law to buy any solar rooftop “excess output” (solar output greater than the rooftop solar location needs) , whether the grid needs it or not AND they must pay retail. If the grid actually needed that additional input they could get it cheaper wholesale on the open grid markets. So, in two different ways eveyone who uses the grid in California has had their costs go up due to solar.

Now, having created their electricity cost monster they are going to “solve” their own crisis by a government cost “redistribution” policy, again making electricity WRONGFULLY cheaper for some and increasing the costs, even more, for others. What could possibly go wrong. /sarc


24 posted on 05/10/2024 5:47:39 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Libloather

Here’s hoping.


25 posted on 05/10/2024 5:56:35 PM PDT by No name given (Anonymous is who you’ll know me as)
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To: rlmorel

My dad got out of the Air Force in 1952 and planned to move to southern California, since one of his college classmates lived in Huntington Beach and had told Dad how nice it was there. Dad decided to take a month or two and see more of the West before settling down with the family (only two kids then), and ended up deciding to stay in Portland, which is where the other four of us were born.

Portland was a great place in the 50s and 60s, even on well into the 80s. Now I have no plans ever to go there again.


26 posted on 05/10/2024 6:00:02 PM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: george76

Cali voted to pay more for EVERYTHING! who are we to stop them?


27 posted on 05/10/2024 6:23:42 PM PDT by Qwapisking ("IF the Second goes first the First goes second" L.Star n )
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To: Wuli

You did a good job explaining how the enviralist B$ requirements are costing all of us a lot of us money for our electricity and natural gas.


28 posted on 05/10/2024 6:29:18 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ((“Surrender often means wisely accommodating to what is beyond our control!” )—Sylvia Boorstein.))
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To: CatOwner; All

$0.534/per kWh is the regular Winter rate for PG&E in my “area”. CA has “area rates”...rates based on Zip Codes (hotter interior valley areas pay less than the coastal areas for electric in Summer, etc.).

A quick calculation of my last bill when subject to the new rules shows that my bill will remain about the same...the B.S. aspect is “income based” base rates vs. the same base rate for everyone. (PG&E had NO “base rates” before this...just a “minimum connection charge” of $10. even if you used NO power) “Infrastructure” costs were/are plowed into the “per kWh” rate currently...they will be in the “base charge” starting late next year...see:

https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/-/media/cpuc-website/divisions/energy-division/documents/demand-response/demand-flexibility-oir/ab205_factsheet_050824.pdf


29 posted on 05/10/2024 6:54:03 PM PDT by Drago
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To: HartleyMBaldwin
It is sad. I know exactly what you mean with Portland.
30 posted on 05/10/2024 7:54:53 PM PDT by rlmorel (In Today's Democrat America, The $5 Dollar Bill is the New $1 Dollar Bill.)
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To: george76

Bookmark.


31 posted on 05/10/2024 8:01:52 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono
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To: Brian Griffin

I think homeowners there go “off grid” cuz the power ain’t dependable.


32 posted on 05/10/2024 8:17:25 PM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: george76
PODs, and all the other moving companies might be among the biggest beneficiaries of the income-based-premium.

And, oddly, the Dems will never understand this dynamic.

33 posted on 05/10/2024 8:19:37 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never...in nothing, great or small...Winston ChurchIill)
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To: george76
State regulators said the policy will lower people’s bills

Only in government could “lowering people’s bills” be defined as adding $24/month.

34 posted on 05/10/2024 8:30:33 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." — M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: george76

P.G.&E. Put off grid upgrades to save money for its shareholders and wildfires resulted.
So now the crappola company wants to shake down customers even more?
Learners in this company ought be in prison.


35 posted on 05/11/2024 4:24:20 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (Kimber .45 Be Kind.)
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To: george76; All

Thanks for posting.


36 posted on 05/11/2024 5:06:00 AM PDT by PGalt (Past peak civilization?)
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To: House Atreides
“ Won’t this put a crimp in the reparations loot?”

"Surely California blacks, regardless of their household income, will be exempt from this monthly fee. /sarc?"

"...utility billing policy will rescue...by redistributing the massive costs of the state’s electric grid..."

When the wind speed is over 35 mph; and they shut the power off; do you still have to pay the $24?


37 posted on 05/11/2024 7:10:08 AM PDT by guest7
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To: Grampa Dave
"Bohica!"


38 posted on 05/11/2024 7:31:45 AM PDT by guest7
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To: PGalt

Thanks


39 posted on 05/11/2024 7:49:55 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

So they want to charge everybody an extra light bill so a few can buy an EV? Yeah, that makes perfect sense to almost nobody. Here’s a thought; If they quit producing EVs because few people want the accursed things, then their value drops. Then ,later since parts for them will be nearly unavailable, their value REALLY drops. My thinking is that since there is already a long list of reasons to NOT own one, that list will become even longer & possibly very soon. By then the charging stations might start becoming extinct too & assuredly people will realize the electrical grid was needed for other things anyway.


40 posted on 05/11/2024 10:17:03 AM PDT by oldtech
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