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ProtonMail hands info to government but says it’s not Google
Protos ^ | 05 08 2024 | Protos Staff

Posted on 05/09/2024 7:38:14 AM PDT by yesthatjallen

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To: LegendHasIt

Looks to me like that page is meant for their members. Looks like it is promoting Proton as truly secure service for their criminal members.


21 posted on 05/09/2024 8:12:26 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: kosciusko51

That would probably work if you didn’t have a recovery email for it.


22 posted on 05/09/2024 8:15:51 AM PDT by nitzy (I wonder if the telescreens in 1984 were first called "free Obamascreens")
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To: z3n
'nuff said.


23 posted on 05/09/2024 8:16:17 AM PDT by C210N (Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.)
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To: z3n
People need to understand something. No data is safe.

In most cases, like email, most platforms and providers make no pretense about privacy. Even if you use a VPN, your data is not safe. You should treat mail as public, and never transmit anything you consider private.

Just because you operate under the delusion that the world respects your privacy doesn’t make it so.

Exactly so. Anything transmitted over the phone system or the Internet is going to be captured and stored.

Humans may never look at it, but it is available if someone decides it is worth looking at.

Thank you for your post.

24 posted on 05/09/2024 8:25:01 AM PDT by marktwain (The Republic is at risk. Resistance to the Democratic Party is Resistance to Tyranny. )
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To: MeganC

>> I expect the NSA operates ProtonMail as a honeypot.

ROFL! That same thought crossed my mind not long ago... what if? I laughed it off as silly paranoia; maybe I should reconsider?

TO MY FBI HANDLER: Of course I have nothing to hide, just fooling around with this technology ‘cause it’s cool and interesting. We good?


25 posted on 05/09/2024 8:28:22 AM PDT by Nervous Tick ("First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people...": ISLAM is the problem!)
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To: marktwain

>> Humans may never look at it, but it is available if someone decides it is worth looking at.

These days I bet they crawl all over it using AI — just because they can.


26 posted on 05/09/2024 8:30:54 AM PDT by Nervous Tick ("First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people...": ISLAM is the problem!)
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To: Uncle Miltie

If you want privacy and electronic communication 1. Write your message in a txt file. 2. Get your recipient’s GPG public key. 3. Encrypt the text file with GPG encryption. 4. Send the message. GPG is unbreakable under the current technology. The government has been pressuring the developers of GPG to put in a back door so that they can spy on their citizens, and to the best of my knowledge there is currently no back door. PGP which is a commercial product that uses the same algorithms has been under the same pressure, ut I don’t know if they’ve caved in or not.


27 posted on 05/09/2024 8:32:20 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy - EVs a solution for which there is no problem)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Bump!


28 posted on 05/09/2024 8:35:27 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: C210N

Tower of Babel II


29 posted on 05/09/2024 8:37:17 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: C210N
Here is its bookend on the left coast :


30 posted on 05/09/2024 8:40:00 AM PDT by SecondAmendment (The history of the present Federal Government is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations ....)
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To: marktwain

There is a reason your bank (and most others) wont email you your password after you lose it. It’s not secure. That’s why most lost password protocols send you a link to reset it or a PIN or code, both of which only verify that you are the owner (or at least someone with access too) your email account. Sending a reset code or link to your email is NOT ironclad secure method, but it mostly absolves the bank of their liability, because it’s a reasonable legal assumption that the owner of the email address assigned to their authentication system is the one receiving the email messages. But the point is, they wont just email you your password, because it’s not a reasonable assumption that it will be safe either in transit or in storage.

Although there are still some second rate websites that will email passwords, but I guess that’s just a long-winded example demonstrating how it is assumed that email communication is not safe for private data.

Two factor authentication will actually use a second method to verify your identity, like texting a separate PIN.

Having strong passwords and two factor authentication is rather tiresome for the average Joe, but sadly it is necessary. Big brother isn’t the biggest threat to most people, although it might be for “crypto users” I suppose.


31 posted on 05/09/2024 8:40:48 AM PDT by z3n (Kakistocracy)
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To: z3n
Big brother isn’t the biggest threat to most people, although it might be for “crypto users” I suppose.

That may be changing for politically active people such as those on freerepublic...

32 posted on 05/09/2024 8:43:53 AM PDT by marktwain (The Republic is at risk. Resistance to the Democratic Party is Resistance to Tyranny. )
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To: marktwain

That may be changing for politically active people such as those on freerepublic...

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Oh I can see that coming, if the current course doesn’t change.

That’s what a lot of people fail to do. Look ahead.

I was reading about data aggregation and the lack of privacy (particularly by silicon valley) and actually mentioning it to people long before it started to enter the public consciousness, although it’s debatable that it has yet actually that pervasively known. It was easy to predict then the things that are happening now, and the future looks a lot worse with biometrics, and again, it’s probably not ‘big brother’ that your average person should really be worried about. The private sector exploitation of people’s everyday activity has only just begun.

So speaking for myself, I would take the stand and defend anything I’ve posted on FR, at least in the context of the article and/or the conversation, but that doesn’t mean that people wont still get railroaded by lawfare in the future if this political climate heating up.


33 posted on 05/09/2024 9:17:24 AM PDT by z3n (Kakistocracy)
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To: yesthatjallen

Willing to bet that unless you wrote the code and control the servers... They ALL do this.


34 posted on 05/09/2024 9:26:20 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Yep. The illusion of online security only protects you from the casual criminal and does nothing against the professional criminals in either the private or government sectors.


35 posted on 05/09/2024 9:27:53 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: 9YearLurker

Oh no doubt. If truth be told, the only safe way to guard your data is to go completely off grid.


36 posted on 05/09/2024 9:48:58 AM PDT by ducttape45 (Proverbs 14:34, "Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.")
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To: Uncle Miltie
If you want anonymity, don’t use bits and bytes.

This is the only answer. People who go to great lengths to use VPN, TOR, Onion, DNS over HTTPS, Brave browser, etc. don't realize the nation states can see all through that.

Been in IT 30 years... there is no privacy.
37 posted on 05/09/2024 9:50:24 AM PDT by TexasGunLover
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To: z3n

I hear ya. If we did things as we did in the old days, just use postal mail for everything we do, you’d be in much better shape. But as you suggested, even that is probably not totally secure from someone tampering with.


38 posted on 05/09/2024 9:50:56 AM PDT by ducttape45 (Proverbs 14:34, "Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.")
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To: Uncle Miltie

39 posted on 05/09/2024 9:54:43 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: ducttape45

Yep.


40 posted on 05/09/2024 10:04:37 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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