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RFK Jr dismisses Trump as ‘unhinged’ after being called a ‘Democrat plant’
The Guardian ^ | Ramon Antonio Vargas

Posted on 04/28/2024 8:00:16 AM PDT by joesbucks

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To: mass55th
I know in my red state they’ve taken measures to shore up the election process. There weren’t many holes to begin with. As for Dominion machines, who do you recommend they use?

The problem is with certain states or communities, there is no chance a conservative can win so viable potential candidates don’t waste their time. I live near a large city that just had a primary. Many elected official positions had no R person to vote for meaning the dem that won the primary has no challenger in November and is now de facto elected. Some of the current R judges are changing parties to remain viable at election time.

If I recall, Florida did do away with butterfly ballots. I believe they were at the heart of the 2000 debacle.

61 posted on 04/28/2024 12:55:45 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: nwrep
Really? Limbaugh was decrying the biased media back then as he did till the day he passed. And frankly, the media had nothing to do with Nader, Gore, Bush and yes even the elderly Jewish folks who messed up and voted for Buchanan back in 2000. It was because non tractioned candidates got enough votes to sway the election.

But had Nader not been a factor, many of those votes would have been likely for Gore.

62 posted on 04/28/2024 1:10:39 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: joesbucks
"As for Dominion machines, who do you recommend they use?"

Any machine that isn't vulnerable to manipulation. In NY State for years, we used the machines that you had to pull the curtain closed once you were inside the booth, pull down the levers for the candidates you wanted to vote for, and then your votes were registered when you opened the curtain back up. There were no paper ballots. Those machines worked fine. The main problem is the uncontrolled submission of absentee ballots around the country. Voting should be held to one day only, like it always was. The polls were open early enough in the morning, and late enough at night for anyone who wanted to vote, to be able to cast their vote on that one day. The longer period of time you give people to vote, and the more options provided to vote, that's where voter fraud flourishes.

63 posted on 04/28/2024 1:30:11 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: joesbucks

“RFKjr has a base like Trump that will not be moved.”

Bernie had a base too. I wonder if RFKjr picked that rabble up?


64 posted on 04/28/2024 1:31:04 PM PDT by Clutch Martin ("The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right." )
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To: mass55th

Those old machines used IBM punch cards.

Updated version of those old machines, suggested:

Automatic mark applied - bar code of the vote.

So, punched holes and barcode must match.


65 posted on 04/28/2024 1:36:04 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: joesbucks

“Nader never broke through. But he did get enough votes in Florida that kept Gore out of office in 2000.”

Nader’s percentages always paid for his campaigns.


66 posted on 04/28/2024 1:38:31 PM PDT by Clutch Martin ("The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right." )
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To: mass55th
My guess is Dominion and Smartmatic are the most secure machines out there. If they are vulnerable, any machine is.

Lever voting machines were not without problems. For one, these machines had thousands of moving parts. They required careful maintenance and were difficult to test. When the last machines were produced in 1982, fixing and replacing worn parts became nearly impossible. Lever voting machines were also not tamperproof: they were vulnerable to the very technicians who were supposed to maintain them. The machines were also inaccessible to voters with physical limitations: the labels with candidates’ names were hard to see, and pulling the levers required strength and mobility. Finally, lever voting machines did not provide an independent record of each vote. After the 2000 presidential election and the Helping America Vote Act (HAVA) of 2002, voting systems were required to have a paper record of each vote in case an election was audited or recounted. Because lever voting machines cannot produce a paper record, they are no longer in use today.

67 posted on 04/28/2024 2:11:05 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: joesbucks

Yes, Rush decried the media, and the media were biased, but not so ideologically committed to a single narrative in complete and total coordination with each other. There is a large difference between the garden variety 90s style bias and what we have now, which is committed activism by journalists.


68 posted on 04/28/2024 2:15:29 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: joesbucks
"After the 2000 presidential election and the Helping America Vote Act (HAVA) of 2002, voting systems were required to have a paper record of each vote in case an election was audited or recounted."

But then you had people like Brenda Snipes, Florida's corrupt Broward County election supervisor who deliberately destroyed 688 boxes of original ballots too soon after the 2016 election. She was sued by a Democrat candidate, and the only thing that came out of it was the candidate's legal fees were ordered to be paid. Snipes ended up walking away with her pension and benefits intact, despite Rick Scott having suspended her. The Judge at her arbitration hearing said her job was in the hands of the new Governor, and DeSantis gave her the easy way out, allowing her to resign. What's the sense of having voting acts, if they aren't going to be enforced, or people held accountable for their illegal behavior?

Justice prevailed last fall when the bitch died.

69 posted on 04/28/2024 3:31:18 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: linMcHlp
"So, punched holes and barcode must match."

Now they won't even match signatures on absentee ballots.

70 posted on 04/28/2024 3:34:04 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: nwrep
Both sides have mouthpieces. Do you think Hannity, Laura, Tucker or Charlie Kirk would ever say anything positive about Biden.? Same for Don Lemon, O’Donnell or Joy Reid about Trump?

But Rush conditioned the audience to believe it soooo bad back in the day. The nets just fulfilled his statements.

71 posted on 04/28/2024 4:25:31 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: mass55th

Thats what Dominion, Smartmatic and others were supposed to address. And to my knowledge they do.


72 posted on 04/28/2024 4:32:08 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: joesbucks
Do you think Hannity, Laura, Tucker or Charlie Kirk would ever say anything positive about Biden.? Same for Don Lemon, O’Donnell or Joy Reid about Trump?

I don't consider any of them journalists. They are opinionaters. They have always been partisan, even in the 1960s - e.g. WFB Jr., etc.

73 posted on 04/28/2024 5:53:42 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: joesbucks
"Thats what Dominion, Smartmatic and others were supposed to address. And to my knowledge they do."

So why were there so many problems cited with Dominion machines?

74 posted on 04/28/2024 6:50:56 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: stanne

“Hey, you laughed at me first”

I can’t laugh at you. Only what you post.

“Because, I imagine, ... “

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugrAo8wEPiI


75 posted on 04/28/2024 7:02:18 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: stanne

” ... with everyone he hired getting hauled off to jail or bribed or threatened into siding against him “

You stated he hired deep-staters?


76 posted on 04/28/2024 7:03:59 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: mass55th

Note that the Democrat Party operative you’re posting to slid right by the opportunity to get a free bash in on Brenda Snipes...


77 posted on 04/28/2024 7:47:52 PM PDT by kiryandil (what Ukrainian electrical grid doink?)
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To: TexasGator
You'll notice that no one takes your NeverTrumping seriously, because you're one of the bigger clown-trolls on FR.   
78 posted on 04/28/2024 7:50:52 PM PDT by kiryandil (what Ukrainian electrical grid doink?)
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To: kiryandil
"Note that the Democrat Party operative you’re posting to slid right by the opportunity to get a free bash in on Brenda Snipes..."

LOL!! Maybe he's a DeSantis supporter, and had no problem with the Governor letting that woman walk away with her pension and benefits intact. To me, when DeSantis did that, it was like slapping Rick Scott across the face.

79 posted on 04/28/2024 8:18:17 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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