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1 posted on 04/08/2024 5:03:11 AM PDT by McGruff
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What always amazes me is how people want a magic bullet. Passing another law will fix things.

Sometimes you have to change the culture the old fashioned way. One on one.

Donate to local organizations supporting adoption.

Passing another law is a feel good of intent. And it is needed but the ground work is more important.


42 posted on 04/08/2024 7:53:22 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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Until we restore the republic the issue of abortion is moot.

Thinking otherwise allows Deep State to divide us.

We need to be one issue voters: Who will restore the republic.

That’s Trump.

We can argue about the rest later.


46 posted on 04/08/2024 8:34:12 AM PDT by mewzilla (Never give up; never surrender!)
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In video posted Monday morning, Trump explicitly affirmed his support for in vitro fertilization (IVF) and he emphasized his support for states determining their own laws for abortion so long as there are exceptions for rape, incest and life of the mother.

Trump is correct that this is now a States issue. He should have left it at that because the rest of it was unnecessary for him to say as it is not a true pro-life position.

A flat endorsement of IVF does not take into account the predominant practice of artificially fertilizing several human eggs creating human beings--human beings that are callously destroyed if they are not the lucky one chosen by their doctor.

Likewise, the old "no abortion except in cases of rape, incest, or harm to the mother" has long been exposed as being meaningless. The first two are extremely rare cases in producing a child, something like 2%. And they are also besides the point in that it is still not justification for murdering an innocent child who had nothing to do with the circumstances of his conception. The danger to the mother excuse is also a red herring because procedures to save the life of the mother are not purposely targeting the baby. In most of the cases, the loss of the baby is a sad consequence of trying to save the life of the mother (and the baby, if possible) but it is not the intent to go after an otherwise healthy baby.

The bottom line is that, even though it seems clear to me and others that it is rational to conclude that human life begins at conception, it is an unfortunate fact there is doubt or disbelief about this in a large segment of the population. Is it a human life, or isn't it? If it isn't, you can do whatever you want with it. If it is, it should be treated like all other human life. If one simply does not know, it should be given the benefit of the doubt of being human until proved otherwise. It would be akin to seeing a human shaped bag in the middle of the road. If there's a chance there's a human being in there, do you stop or go around it, or just run over it because you don't know? If you are going to err, it's always wise to err on the side of life.

I would like to think that Trump is not so misinformed as his statement indicates, but I realize he may also be framing it for public consumption to get elected. Still, it does not sit well with me because it is an erroneous and immoral position to take and may have the effect of misinforming the public more than they already are.

47 posted on 04/08/2024 9:28:57 AM PDT by fidelis (Ecce Crucem Domini! Fugite partes adversae! Vicit Leo de tribu Juda, Radix David! Alleluia!)
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That’s what the Founding Fathers intended. Matters such as this are not federal. Abortion is nowhere mentioned in the US Constitution. Ergo, it is a matter for states to decide.


49 posted on 04/08/2024 9:59:30 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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I am 100% pro-life. No exceptions of any kind for any reason. But this is acceptable to me. That’s what we were fighting for for 50 years. Now that we have it, we can’t say we want it the other way around. Trump gave us what we were asking for. Now it’s up to us to win people’s hearts and minds on the issue so we can move forward on a state by state basis.


50 posted on 04/08/2024 11:45:08 AM PDT by scouter (As for me and my household... We will serve the LORD.)
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