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Europe Basically Can’t Defend Itself if the U.S. Pulls Out of NATO
Slate via Yahoo ^ | February 27th, 2024 | Fred Kaplan

Posted on 02/27/2024 7:04:19 PM PST by Mariner

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To: Kazan
“Bakhmut and Avdiivka”

These places are only a few miles from territory annexed in 2014...

81 posted on 03/05/2024 10:49:55 AM PST by varyouga
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To: varyouga

Bakhmut is 590 miles from Crimea, which was the only territory annexed in 2014 by Russia.


82 posted on 03/05/2024 11:04:51 AM PST by Kazan
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To: Kazan

And a few miles walking distance past Donetsk where the front line has been since 2014...


83 posted on 03/05/2024 11:54:07 AM PST by varyouga
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To: varyouga

Russia built a land bridge between Crimea and mainland Russia that included most of the Black Sea coastline, including Mariupol. That was the significant territory gained by the Russians in the war.


84 posted on 03/05/2024 3:28:50 PM PST by Kazan
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Wow. After several years, they took a few miles of coast from a country with no Navy. Kicking ass!

That wont last long since the latest Russian ships are getting sunk with cheap drones that barely cost more than a small fishing boat...


85 posted on 03/06/2024 1:14:41 PM PST by varyouga
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To: varyouga
After several years, they took a few miles of coast from a country with no Navy.

What a ridiculous spin. The Ukrainian army is comparable to the one we faced in Vietnam. It has NATO training. Ukrainian tens of billions of dollars worth of tanks, defense systems, missiles and weapons. Ukraine had eight years to dig and fortify its positions in eastern Ukraine.

Russia annexed all the land it wanted to liberate within eight months of the war beginning.

It has spent the last nine months destroying the Ukrainian army. Now, the Ukrainian defense lines are crumbling and Russia is gaining ground daily.

Russia is going to get everything it wanted out of this war.

86 posted on 03/06/2024 3:04:50 PM PST by Kazan
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To: varyouga
https://sonar21.com/what-did-the-cia-know-and-when-did-it-know-it/

The West is caught in its own trap. Russia reactivated a moribund defense industry and is cranking out ammunition, shells, missiles, rockets, artillery, tanks, drones and combat vehicles at a rate the West cannot match. Instead of demonstrating Western superiority, the NATO alliance has been exposed as fractious, impotent lot. The defeat of Ukraine will force the United States and NATO to make a choice — escalate the war with Russia and risk a nuclear conflagration or find a diplomatic off-ramp. While the current rhetoric among many NATO members is bellicose, with France’s Macron trying to whip up support for joining the fight against Russia, the divisions in Europe are growing. Germany certainly is no longer enthusiastic about signing on to France’s suicide mission.

The key to the end of the war resides in Washington, DC. It is an election year and the electorate has no stomach for a direct military confrontation with Russia. Then there is the fact that the Biden Administration is more focused on the war between Israel and the Palestinians, the Houthi closure of the Red Sea and the fear that China will move against Taiwan. There is no good, clean, obvious exit plan for the U.S. to end its support of the proxy war with Russia. The best that the Biden team can hope for is that Ukraine’s Zelensky is overthrown and a new Ukrainian government decides to seek peace with Moscow. At that point, Biden can shrug his shoulders and say, “We tried” and then walk away. That is the outcome I’m hoping for.

87 posted on 03/06/2024 3:31:33 PM PST by Kazan
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To: Mariner

Boo hoo


88 posted on 03/06/2024 3:32:13 PM PST by Fledermaus (Is it me, or all of a sudden have the buried trolls come out on FR like cicadas? It's all noise.)
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