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Collapse of Operation Citadel 2.0 (Russian military compares Ukraine counteroffensive to WW 2 Battle of Kursk)
Russian Academy of Missile and Artillery Sciences for Information Policy ^ | 2/24/24 | Konstantin Sivcov

Posted on 02/25/2024 5:22:58 AM PST by hardspunned

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To: delta7; Navy Patriot; PGR88; McGruff; wardaddy; ganeemead; jimwatx; caww; E. Pluribus Unum; ...
Willy OAM on Youtube.

Thanks for this, guys! [SaxxonWoods & BobL]

https://www.youtube.com/@willyOAM/videos

41 posted on 02/25/2024 9:24:13 AM PST by kiryandil
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To: LS
Up to that point, however, they had great success vs. Russkie tanks via their Stuka 37mm armed tank destroyers, which were wreaking havoc.

Interesting.

42 posted on 02/25/2024 9:25:52 AM PST by kiryandil
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To: hardspunned

“That is why the Russian offensive will also be an overwhelming success.”

About time. A 72-hour operation dragging on for 2+ years.


43 posted on 02/25/2024 9:28:26 AM PST by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest )
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To: SaxxonWoods; LS
I would have pinged you on this, LS, but I didn't realize you were out and about on this thread:

SaxxonWoods wrote: Willy OAM on Youtube. He wants to go back to Ukraine but can’t because he he’s dying of a terminal illness. He spends his remaining time following the action and has good in-country contacts. He is completely in Ukraine’s corner but not a propagandist.

Willy OAM on Youtube.

Thanks for this, guys! [SaxxonWoods & BobL]

https://www.youtube.com/@willyOAM/videos

44 posted on 02/25/2024 9:28:42 AM PST by kiryandil
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To: PLMerite; hardspunned
About time. A 72-hour operation dragging on for 2+ years.

The 72-hour operation was to force a country without the entire military stockpile of NATO at its disposal to the negotiating table, which it did.

But then BoJo the Clown and Queen Victoria Nuland decided to fight to the last Ukrainian.

They're almost there, and many of the NATO countries are demilitarized, as a side effect.

45 posted on 02/25/2024 9:32:03 AM PST by kiryandil
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To: kiryandil

Their Near-Peer Fantasy met reality at the hands of a small country only marginally less corrupt than themselves.


46 posted on 02/25/2024 9:50:12 AM PST by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest )
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To: PLMerite
Their Near-Peer Fantasy met reality at the hands of a small country only marginally less corrupt than themselves.

You can pretend that, as long as you ignore the dumpster loads of dead Ukrainians.

47 posted on 02/25/2024 9:52:39 AM PST by kiryandil
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To: epluribus_2
“Russians are acting like the Germans trying to conquer Ukrainian people and land.”

What we are being told is that this is Ukrainian land. That's a lie. These regions declared their independence from Ukraine back in 2014 after the Euromaidan Coup. The locals are fighting with the Russian for their own land. The Ukrainian supporters will deny this but it's true.

48 posted on 02/25/2024 10:01:04 AM PST by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: PLMerite

72 hours to defeat the Ukes. 2 1/2 years to defeat the globohomo/neocon juggernaut. The woke, perverted globalist crusade to destroy all the world’s traditional cultures and Christianity in particular has been stopped. Vladimir Putin, Christianity’s modern day Charles Martel. Celebrate!


49 posted on 02/25/2024 10:08:08 AM PST by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: PIF

“I’d like to see Ukraine’s account of their counteroffensive.”

Follow Willy OAM for the truth. He’s on their side and honest.


50 posted on 02/25/2024 10:14:44 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (Are you ready for Black Lives MAGA? It's coming.)
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To: kiryandil; PLMerite

The real eye opener has been the industrial failures of the West in this war.

We all know about the artillery ammunition.

But missile production numbers are still so small, it is a joke.


“Furthermore, Lockheed aims for a 40 percent annual production increase of HIMARS Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System ammunition in 2025, from 1,000 to 1,400.

Additionally, the defense giant plans to produce 3,960 Javelin anti-tank missile systems by late 2026 from the current 2,400.

Meanwhile, Lockheed said it has secured advanced funds to raise the annual production of PAC-3 MSE air defense missiles to 650 by 2027. “

https://www.thedefensepost.com/2024/02/19/lockheed-himars-production-60/


51 posted on 02/25/2024 10:31:23 AM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: epluribus_2

“..the Russians are acting like the Germans trying to conquer Ukrainian people and land. “


It ceased to be “Ukrainian land” when the Kiev Regime used the military to attack them.

Just like Biden threatens the US population with attack by F16s.


52 posted on 02/25/2024 10:42:30 AM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: hardspunned
I see that you prefer insult to discussion of the facts. In answer to you comments, my college education was long ago from some excellent college professors at a well-regarded private university. And I paid my college and law school loans off decades ago, in full.
53 posted on 02/25/2024 12:53:04 PM PST by Rockingham (`)
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To: Rockingham

The facts of the article are there. The facts stated are numbers and types of equipment and defenses employed. Those are the facts. That is why I posted the article, the facts. When did you address the facts in the article? I very seriously doubt you read the article. If you read the article and find misrepresentations of the facts within the article, tell me which specific facts stated are wrong. The gist of the article is that forces employed in both instances were very similar. The battleground is the same. I really don’t care to discuss the unrelated tangent you went off on. Read the article. What ACTUALLY presented is wrong. You have yet to address the first statement presented in the article as fact. Because I have little patience to engage in discussion of unrelated topics, you get your panties in a wad. Perhaps part of your college experience while picking up that degree of yours was being taught to suffer fools rather than risk offending their delicate sensibilities. When I got my degree 45 years ago, touchy feely wasn’t a priority.


54 posted on 02/25/2024 1:57:08 PM PST by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: hardspunned
The source you rely on is Russian propaganda. The analogy it makes with Operation Citadel is false, meaning the great tank battle known as the 1943 Battle of Kursk, as compared to the positional infantry combat and artillery duels now going on in Ukraine. Judging by our difference in age, when you were still in diapers, I was already reading about the Battle of Kursk (and much else) in histories of the Eastern Front and WW II.

In my era at least, history and law were not touchy feely subjects. My academic adviser in college, for example, was a Czech emigre who had fought the Nazis and resisted the Russian-backed coup d'etat that installed a Communist government in power in his native country. Wisely or not, I declined his offer of scholarship for a graduate degree in history toward a career as a CIA analyst.

As for the broader point, the Institute for the Study of War offers the following on the Russo-Ukraine war:

The situation today is grave, but it is far from hopeless. Russian forces have regained the initiative across the theater and are attacking and making gains. Those gains thus far are very limited and extremely costly. More Russian soldiers have likely died to seize Avdiivka than died in the entire Soviet-Afghan war.[4] Ukrainians are weary and worried that American military assistance will cease, but they continue to fight with determination, ingenuity, and skill. Ukraine’s air defenders are dropping Russian planes from the sky while Ukrainian drone- and missile operators sink Russian ships.[5] And Ukrainian soldiers are fighting for their positions against Russian “meat assaults” using drones in novel ways as well as the artillery, tanks, and traditional weapons of war available to them. The Ukrainian Air Force will receive its first F-16s in the coming months, and Ukraine’s European allies are racing to make good deficiencies in other war materiel.[6] American military assistance remains essential—only the United States has the resources to give Ukraine right now what Ukraine most needs.[7] If the United States, in the end, withholds that aid, then the situation can become very grave indeed.

But the war is far from over. Ukraine has not lost and there is no reason for Ukraine to lose. Russians are adapting for a long war effort in Ukraine, but they are not the Red Army hordes wrapped in the triumphant banners of World War II victories that Putin and his propagandists pretend them to be.[8] The Russian military suffers from many flaws that Ukraine has learned to exploit.[9] And the combined economic power of Ukraine’s allies is many times that of Russia.

Putin remains a deadly threat to NATO as well as to Ukraine, however. The Kremlin has been setting conditions to conduct hybrid warfare operations in the Baltic States and Finland for months and is currently engaged in such operations against Moldova.[10] Putin’s aims remain the destruction of NATO as an effective alliance, the breaking of the tie between the United States and Europe, and the construction of a new global order in which Russia’s voice and power are dominant.[11] The interests of America, Europe, and America’s allies in Asia and around the world are inextricably tied with helping Ukraine defeat Russia.[12]

From: RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE CAMPAIGN ASSESSMENT, FEBRUARY 24, 2024

55 posted on 02/25/2024 3:23:14 PM PST by Rockingham (`)
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To: Rockingham

This is really getting tedious. It’s a real shame they never got around to teaching you the meaning of the word “specific” in college. You obviously read the title of what I posted and it was off to races for you. I glanced over your dissertation, where you were regurgitating the western disinfo on the proxy war, laughable stuff. I’ve had enough of this as you refuse to stay on the topic of what was actually stated in the article. Goodnight.


56 posted on 02/25/2024 4:19:11 PM PST by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: hardspunned

Da svidania!


57 posted on 02/25/2024 5:35:24 PM PST by Rockingham (`)
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To: Rockingham
Thanks for posting this. I think Putin and his Russia screwed up and this will not end well for them.

Even when the Russians win and take territory, the price they paid for it is outrageous and the cause their soldiers are made to fight for is not worthy. It’s not a righteous cause, but simply a soul staining, covetous taking of the neighbor’s stuff.

Ukraine’s fight is righteous and easily understood and most here, likely feeling no duty to retreat in their own home against any invader, would “stand their ground” and would do the same things Ukraine is doing if they were in Ukraine’s position.

But Putin, otoh, is on the wrong side of human spirit and the Holy Spirit, too, and should have left his army and his war at home. Killing his neighbors in their own homes is not a good plan for the future, but a sad step back to their failed Soviet past.

This won’t end well for them and the more they kill and destroy to “win” just adds to their crimes and makes it worse for them in the end.

58 posted on 02/25/2024 10:31:51 PM PST by GBA (Endeavor to persevere. Onward through the fog …)
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To: GBA

It is hard not to feel sympathy for ordinary Russians, chronically misruled and brutalized by their government and exploited by their elites. Putin will not be remembered well. Corrupt and thuggish, he has pointed Russia toward economic and strategic decline and marginalization as a nation.


59 posted on 02/25/2024 11:10:39 PM PST by Rockingham (`)
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To: McGruff

Ok. But haven’t the Russian armed forces reclaimed all of the russian speaking, formerly prosperous eastern towns yet?


60 posted on 02/26/2024 8:21:19 AM PST by epluribus_2
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