Posted on 01/04/2024 10:33:26 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
Would Ronald Reagan have gotten into a war to protect corrupt Ukrainian ‘elites’ who paid off our corrupt ‘elites’ and their whore monger, drug addicted private school brats? I don’t think so.
People debunk that claim over and over and you post it anyway.
Back then, we were clearly the good guys in comparison to Russia. Now, we’re infested with LGBT, neo-Marxists, eco fearmongers, and vote fraudsters, acting with an international alliance of the same.
Gotten us into a war? Who is doing that now?
.So, the hypothetical on the table is about a post Soviet Union environment.
In December 1981 at the end of Reagan’s first year, the Polish military, under pressure from Moscow declared martial law and outlawed Solidarity during the first year of Reagan’s Presidency.
While he certainly encouraged Solidarity, I do not recall his sending money or military aid to the Polish patriots.
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All these silly pieces on ‘what someone who’s dead would think’ are stupid. NONE of us know what Reagan would think or do in any situation. In a conservative press I would hope be wouldn’t be channeling JFK to hit democrats over the head with. I’m assuming the person who thought up this piece was a Klror, kink or Kin hire... and doesn’t have a decent editor.
Reagan fought Russia where we could, in Afghanistan and Africa, Grenada, Latin America, with massive military rebuilding and massive European military operations, an American military that averaged 2200 dead a year during his terms, and with mercenaries and Special Ops everywhere, American mercenary work was at its peak.
Yes, he did all of that, and yes the USSR was a declared enemy and a real threat which Reagan through his actions helped to destroy peacefully, although the left is loathe to give him credit for it.
Reagan knew he couldn’t openly come to the aid of Solidarity because he knew that would destroy the credibility that Solidarity enjoyed on the world stage. The only reason I made the point about Poland is that it was Soviet expansionism in all but name, it happened during Reagan’s Presidency and he behaved the way that he did.
We can really have no idea how a reincarnated and rejuvenated Ronald Reagan would react in 2021 or 2024 to the Russian invasion of Ukraine and it’s pretty pointless to do so.
How would F.D.R. react to the Russian invasion of Ukraine makes as much sense. The real question should be, How is Joe Biden dealing with foreign policy issues?
You keep making that silly comparison, you are talking a real WWIII total global nuclear war in the 1980s.
We could not do more than we were, the forces were on the borders facing each other and war was expected at any moment.
You should have experienced the fear and the tension among our troops in Europe at the time, it was real and things could explode at any moment.
That isn’t the situation now with Russia invading Ukraine, that is why President Trump could overrule Obama and start sending military weapons to Ukraine, and why he wanted them to get jets from NATO, this is not the 1980s anymore and supplying material goods to a European country that Russia is trying to conquer is very beneficial to our safety and the safety and stability of Europe and the future.
No, but he would defend Ukraine from an even more corrupt Russia that is still the main source of predatory aggression in the world and the major threat to peace.
“Would Ronald Reagan abandon Ukraine to Russia?”
Reagan COULD have gone to war over the Poland crackdown (Solidarity), but he chose peace instead. And, as we later saw, he made the right call.
Too bad his generation is gone and replaced by a bunch of hormone-filled psychopaths who don’t even know what nuclear weapons can do to a country.
Russia has accomplished things that Reagan could only dreamed of accomplished in the US, like a 13% flat tax rate and billions spent by the government constructing churches.
He's pretty disgusted what leftists in the West have turned Ukraine into -- a nation that bans opposition leaders and parties, imprisons dissenters that are American citizens, tears down churches and that considers Nazi collaborators to be their modern-day founding fathers.
Reagan would never have supported Ukriane in the first place.
He always disagreed with Nazism politically and economically, and after authoring his own policy on implementing the disassociation of the Soviet Union, Reagan required parties to negotiate in Good Faith, as he did, to get US support.
“...dramatically expanded funding for the Afghan mujahedeen during most of the nine-year effort to compel a Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan. “
So, how did that brilliant move work out ?
You keep making that silly comparison, you are talking a real WWIII total global nuclear war in the 1980s.
I get the feeling that you are missing the point of my posts which can be summed up in the last sentence. I have not said anything about whether aiding Ukraine against the Russian invasion is a good idea or a bad one.
The fact that Russia has been unable to overrun Ukraine in two years shows that Russia is no longer the military force that the USSR was. And then there’s the fact that most, but not all, of the former Soviet Republics apparently do not want to rejoin a Greater Russia. However, to my knowledge, modern Russia is just as able to ruin all of our days as the old USSR was in the ‘80s.
I have no doubt that if the leader of our nation wasn’t a doddering buffoon we might see more restraint on the part of nations that think of us as an enemy.
Reagan picked his fights.
Reagan knew the USSR was competitive and that they didn't have as much money as we had because capitalism works and socialism doesn't. So Reagan engaged the USSR in an arms race - because WE could afford an arms race - and the USSR couldn't. Also, because the USSR was a totalitarian state people were afraid to tell Russian power leaders and their 'intelligence' people that the USSR couldn't afford an arms race.
Ego got involved rather than good sense. Kind of like Biden did pushing EV cars when the technology isn't ready for prime time.
But no one stood up to Biden and democrats because they're thugs...totalitarians - and didn't want to be cancelled or lose their jobs. Same as what happened in all totalitarian states.
Then Reagan did Radio Free Europe and lots of 'Democracy is Grrrreat' propaganda. And back then it was true. In today's world when democrats talk about how important 'democracy' is they're talking about their own power. There's almost nothing democrats respect about our Constitution or Bill of Rights.
Reagan could have stirred up a war in a corrupt soviet republic and started World War III but he didn't do that... he fought commies in OUR hemisphere because he was smart enough to know having a Soviet State a few hundred miles away would be a problem. Unlike that fool President Sniffer who has China all over South America and Biden puts out the welcome mat for any of those commmies who want to come here as illegals.
So we don't have to guess what Reagan would do - we can LOOK AT WHAT REAGAN DID. And we know this much he NEVER did a 'Ukraine'. Because that's a stupid choice.
The biggest mistake we made was in not inviting Russia and the soviet breakaway republics into NATO. After WWII we had the sense to bring Japan and Germany into the family - which is what should have happened after the break up of the USSR.
“””””In December 1981 at the end of Reagan’s first year, the Polish military, under pressure from Moscow declared martial law and outlawed Solidarity during the first year of Reagan’s Presidency.
While he certainly encouraged Solidarity, I do not recall his sending money or military aid to the Polish patriots.”””””
Anyone who thinks that we could have done that without WWIII doesn’t remember the situation.
Trump could openly send aid and weapons to Ukraine in its fight to defend itself from the Russian invasion while Reagan was facing the Polish/Russian/East German Army and all the other combined forces that had 6.4 million Russian troops and nukes poised to attack.
If Poland had been free and American troops living and working and training in Poland in 1981 and Poland had not literally been a part of the Russian military we were in a stand-off against, and Russia had invaded that Poland, then you can bet that Reagan would have acted and we would not have left them alone.
Reagan went up against the old USSR and he defeated them. He didn’t do it by having his goons in the CIA back some corrupt soviet republic and fight an endless and expensive war. Reagan could have done that, he did NOT take that path.
Reagan picked his fights.
Reagan knew the USSR was competitive and that they didn’t have as much money as we had because capitalism works and socialism doesn’t. So Reagan engaged the USSR in an arms race - because WE could afford an arms race - and the USSR couldn’t. Also, because the USSR was a totalitarian state people were afraid to tell Russian power leaders and their ‘intelligence’ people that the USSR couldn’t afford an arms race.
Ego got involved rather than good sense. Kind of like Biden did pushing EV cars when the technology isn’t ready for prime time.
But no one stood up to Biden and democrats because they’re thugs...totalitarians - and didn’t want to be cancelled or lose their jobs. Same as what happened in all totalitarian states.
Then Reagan did Radio Free Europe and lots of ‘Democracy is Grrrreat’ propaganda. And back then it was true. In today’s world when democrats talk about how important ‘democracy’ is they’re talking about their own power. There’s almost nothing democrats respect about our Constitution or Bill of Rights.
Reagan could have stirred up a war in a corrupt soviet republic and started World War III but he didn’t do that... he fought commies in OUR hemisphere because he was smart enough to know having a Soviet State a few hundred miles away would be a problem. Unlike that fool President Sniffer who has China all over South America and Biden puts out the welcome mat for any of those commmies who want to come here as illegals.
So we don’t have to guess what Reagan would do - we can LOOK AT WHAT REAGAN DID. And we know this much he NEVER did a ‘Ukraine’. Because that’s a stupid choice.
The biggest mistake we made was in not inviting Russia and the soviet breakaway republics into NATO. After WWII we had the sense to bring Japan and Germany into the family - which is what should have happened after the break up of the USSR.
Well. Maybe something was. Would that include the Crimea? Would any Tsar have said Ukraine was a state or nation that included Crimea?
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