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Jeffrey Epstein 'victim' Johanna Sjoberg denies MASSAGING Donald Trump and reveals how predator financier boasted of being able to call former president before trip to his casino, court papers claim
Dailymail ^ | Jan 3, 2024 | Stephen M Lepore

Posted on 01/04/2024 10:29:49 AM PST by backpacker_c

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To: backpacker_c
Court documents say he was never on the epstein property

Your own link (as well as other sources) claim that the flight records for Epstein Island never show Clinton traveling there either. There’s really not much difference in the known level of interaction between Trump or Clinton with Epstein, actually. They both spent a lot of time with him, had many many photos taken together, etc. The main difference is we know Epstein spent a lot of time at Mar-a-Lago, in fact that’s where the main accuser Virginia Roberts Guffrie was recruited, but I don’t know of any evidence of Epstein being at Clinton residences.

21 posted on 01/04/2024 12:43:06 PM PST by Golden Eagle (It is easier to fool people, than to convince them they’ve been fooled.)
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To: Golden Eagle

You are a tiresome troll


22 posted on 01/04/2024 1:05:38 PM PST by enumerated (81 million votes my ass)
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To: JimRed

What years was Pedo Island operating and entertaining this list of pedos?? Back in the 60’s I lived and traveled Puerto Rico, the Virgin islands and a few others, including St. Thomas-St.John and never heard of the place.


23 posted on 01/04/2024 1:20:17 PM PST by elpadre
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To: enumerated

Everything I said is accurate.


24 posted on 01/04/2024 1:44:43 PM PST by Golden Eagle (It is far easier to fool people, than to convince them they’ve been fooled.)
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To: Golden Eagle

Oh bull s###

You lie and tell false and misleading things all the time.

There are lots of stories that have clinton flying on epsteins flight logs.

You’re one of the primary posters that back up the statements

1 desantis and many of his supporters lie about any and everything...
2 and they don’t care that they are lying


25 posted on 01/04/2024 2:01:05 PM PST by backpacker_c
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To: backpacker_c

The lawyer asked her to clarify what she was referring to when she mentioned Clinton, and she said the former president was on the island. She said Maxwell was also there, as well as a person named “Emmy” and two young girls.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/bill-clinton-visited-jeffrey-epsteins-private-island-unsealed-court-documents-suggest


26 posted on 01/04/2024 2:10:41 PM PST by backpacker_c
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To: Golden Eagle

Everything you say is skewed from your TDS.


27 posted on 01/04/2024 2:17:36 PM PST by enumerated (81 million votes my ass)
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To: backpacker_c

It’s in your very own link, there are no flight logs showing Clinton ever went to Epstein Island. And it’s not as if all the atrocities only happened there anyway, most of his time was spent stateside. As far as Trump only being on the Epstein flight logs a few tines, just a few rimes is unusual, as he was a billionaire who could easily afford his own flights, even planes. Bottom line there’s just really not much difference in the provable record of time Clinton spent with Epstein versus Clinton.


28 posted on 01/04/2024 3:41:46 PM PST by Golden Eagle (It is far easier to fool people, than to convince them they’ve been fooled.)
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To: Golden Eagle

*Bottom line there’s just really not much difference in the provable record of time Clinton spent with Epstein versus Trump.


29 posted on 01/04/2024 4:41:12 PM PST by Golden Eagle (It is far easier to fool people, than to convince them they’ve been fooled.)
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To: elpadre

IIUC, it was not a resort, just a privately owned island, which owner had lots of “friends”. No reason to have heard of it.


30 posted on 01/04/2024 8:04:53 PM PST by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Finish the damned WALL! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH!)
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To: Flaming Conservative

“And by the way, who is it who’s telling that Epstein said “such and such” about Trump? How convenient that Epstein is dead, and can’t verify whatever they’re saying is true or false.”

And even if Epstein did say things, were they said after Trump banned him from his properties? That’s incentive to lie about him.


31 posted on 01/04/2024 8:12:59 PM PST by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Finish the damned WALL! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH!)
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To: Golden Eagle

Like I have said, you lie about things.

There are people that have said clinton was on the island. clinton was frequently listed on flights on epsteins plane.

You chose to equate both Trump and clinton, when there are witness testimony that says otherwise, from other testimony.

Just like how you lie about Trump wanting haley as vp, and use desantis warroom tweets to back up your claim...

When the Trump people shown in the video does not say anything that backs up the desantis warroom comment associated with the tweet.

See starting golden eagle’s claims starting at post 34, and my rebuttal at 49

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/4205351/posts?page=34#34


32 posted on 01/04/2024 9:28:15 PM PST by backpacker_c
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To: backpacker_c

BOTTOM LINE, BASICALLY, OUR BELOVED PRESIDENT DONALD J TRUMP IS A ...REAL GOOD GUY.

SO RARE IN THIS WORLD.

WE LOVE HIM!!!!!!!


33 posted on 01/04/2024 9:47:27 PM PST by Maris Crane
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To: Golden Eagle
I don’t know of any evidence of Epstein being at Clinton residences.

Mar-a-Lago did not become the Trump residence until 2019 (one month after Epstein's death). At the time of any Epstein visits, it was just another Trump hotel property.

-PJ

34 posted on 01/04/2024 9:48:59 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: backpacker_c

Trump and Epstein hung out. But Trump never went to Epstein's island.

35 posted on 01/04/2024 9:55:44 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: backpacker_c

I haven’t lied about anything, Trump flew on Epstein’s plane just about as much as Clinton did, despite Trump being wealthy enough to not need the ride. There’s also pictures and reports of Trump bringing his children around Epstein, which there doesn’t appear to be any evidence of Clinton doing that. Bottom line Trump has more photographs and records of being with Epstein than almost anyone else but Clinton, already as of now. We’ll see what the future holds, according to some reports what we’ve seen is less than half of what’s left to drop.


36 posted on 01/04/2024 10:33:53 PM PST by Golden Eagle (It is far easier to fool people, than to convince them they’ve been fooled.)
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To: Golden Eagle
There’s also pictures and reports of Trump bringing his children around Epstein, which there doesn’t appear to be any evidence of Clinton doing that. Bottom line Trump has more photographs and records of being with Epstein than almost anyone else but Clinton, already as of now.

I haven't been following this story closely, but you seem to know more details so I'll ask you my question:

The GIF two posts up is tagged as November 1992.

What little Wikipedia searching I did tells me that Epstein got into banking and options trading in the early 1980s, eventually getting into financial management. This is apparently what Epstein was doing at the time that the above GIF was purportedly recorded.

Donald Trump Jr was born on December 31, 1977, so he would have been around 14 or 15 at the time of the GIF. Ivanka is four years younger, and Eric is three years behind her.

Reports on Ghislaine Maxwell have her meeting Epstein sometime in 1991, but it could have been three or four years earlier. Wiki says she began asserting herself in Epstein's businesses around 1992.

Is it fair to assume that the couple's pedophile ring likely didn't begin until at least 1992, and probably a few years later as it takes time for a new couple to put that kind of thing in motion? Do you have any thoughts on the timing of this, given that I haven't read any of the criminal documents?

I'm trying to place things in their proper order in the timeline. There is the photo of Trump and Epstein in late 1991. I heard something about Epstein having to divert a plane to Atlantic City, so he went to Trump's Casino and called him up. What was the date on that?

You mentioned earlier about Epstein visiting Mar-a-Lago? Again, do you know the dates? Trump purchased Mar-a-Lago in 1985, renovated it, and turned it into a private club in 1994. Without knowing when Epstein started his pedophile ring, it wouldn't surprise me that a New York City real estate mogul and a New York City banker and financial manager would know each other and cross paths. That's probably why the Clintons know Epstein, too, because of Hillary's New York Senate run in 2000.

As to the Trump children, do you know the dates (roughly) that Trump's children were around Epstein? Again, I'm trying to form a timeline in my head to put the news that's sure to break into a proper context.

Thanks for any help in educating me on the basic facts.

-PJ

37 posted on 01/04/2024 11:19:28 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Golden Eagle

Oh bull #### again.

You are putting out different pieces of information, some that aren’t true, then pushing a conclusion that isn’t supported by the evidence.

That’s like saying you were a scout master, and the boy scouts had a lot of pedophiles as scout masters, so you haven’t you been charged yet, because someone hasn’t come forth.


38 posted on 01/05/2024 1:23:42 AM PST by backpacker_c
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To: Political Junkie Too

Thanks for your respectful question, and honest actual interest in the matter.

To be clear, I am not an expert on the subject either, but like you appear to be, just want to know the honest truth. So far, I haven’t seen any direct evidence tying Trump to sex with minors, but to be honest, there’s no direct evidence of that with Clinton that I’ve seen yet, either. There’s just a lot of smoke, and hopefully that’s all it is for Trump, but between the two men, the smoke is pretty deep, and equivalent, and to try to claim otherwise, as some here are, is completely hypocritical.

Regarding your specific question of timelines, I think that’s important to determine, but once again both Clinton and Trump have similar stories to tell. Supposedly they were friends with Epstein throughout the 90’s, Trump at one point around 2000 saying Epstein was quote “a terrific guy” and they had been friends “for 15 years” but like Clinton, they started going their separate ways shortly after that, once Epstein’s escapades with minors were getting exposed. The question of course, is how far those escapades with minors went back before Trump and Clinton started separating themselves. It’s also important to note, that it appears that most, if not all of the women pictured with Trump or Clinton within proximity of Epstein, were all of legal age.

In order to research this, I’ve found it’s best to search Google or Bing and set the limit on the date of the articles to back in the 2000’s. This brings up articles from back before the issue became so political, and journalism was better, so you get more fact based articles full of interesting nuggets of information, and not just general summaries, or political slants.

Unfortunately, even Google won’t return a lot of those articles now. I know, because I just tested it on this very informative CNBC article that I found and posted here earlier this year:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4138406/posts?page=164#164

Good luck, and please keep me informed of your findings, which I always respect, as again I am only interested in knowing the truth, which is hard to find around here with the bias so deep. Thanks.


39 posted on 01/05/2024 6:27:22 AM PST by Golden Eagle (It is far easier to fool people, than to convince them they’ve been fooled.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Actually I just noticed that CNBC article is dated 2020, so I was thinking more about the one above it from NY Magazine. Thanks again.


40 posted on 01/05/2024 6:30:58 AM PST by Golden Eagle (It is far easier to fool people, than to convince them they’ve been fooled.)
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