Posted on 12/10/2023 10:15:54 AM PST by Navy Patriot
These are bullshit polls, because they never ask the right question(s).
The right question is not: “Do you approve of Biden’s response to Israel’s war with Hamas”?
That is the wrong question because it does not ask WHY, WHY, WHY someone can be disappointed.
There are two questions that need to be asked on that issue:
In regard to Israel’s war with Hams:
1. Do you approve or disapprove of Biden’s demands on Hamas?
2. Do you approve or disapprove of Biden’s demands on Israel?
Only with the data from those two questions could you understand why Biden is losing support for his approach to the Israel-Hamas war.
You nailed it.
That YouTube poll question was designed to obscure the reason for disapproving the Biden administration response to the war. It can be spun as a "popular demand" to stop supporting Israel.
They did have further questions on whether the respondents supported any level of further assistance to the Palestinians and separate questions on whether respondents supported any level of assistance to Israel. I notice that the answers to those questions were not clearly reported.
Spin, Spin, Spin.
Yes, there certainly is.
I expect they are well-represented by Ihan Omar of Minnesota and Rashida Harbi Tlaib of Michigan.
Or you could check out the rants at Democratic Underground. They really put the hate on Jews and loves them some HAMAS. Some of them openly identify as "Progressive Democrats".
The silence from establishment Democrat leaders speaks volumes. They pretend to support Israel, and so far, so good. They love that Jewish campaign money, but I expect they will backstab Israel and Jews as soon as they can get poll results that will cover their betrayals.
“Yes, there certainly is [a pro-Hamas base]”
Ok, let’s say those people have gripes against the Jews. Fine. Maybe they have a point. Do they ignore the Hamas’s savagery? Have they ever talked about the savagery?
I have gripes against the Jews. Maybe they do have a point. Those gripes are insignificant compared to what I see HAMAS has done.
Do they ignore the Hamas’s savagery? Have they ever talked about the savagery?
Posters in many other forums endorse the savagery of HAMAS without equivocation and call for more. They claim to be Democrats. We have a very sheltered environment in this forum. It isn't necessarily a majority viewpoint of the wider population that is on display here.
Anti-Jewish sentiment is available in Republican and Democrat flavors, of course. It seems to be a growing fire among leftists. I guess "NEVER AGAIN" was just a slogan after all.
It remains to be seen how long leftist Jews will remain with a party which increasingly hates them.
Orthodox Jews are already Republican. We will gradually see Conservative Jews become Republican. Reform Jews and non-practicing Jews will probably remain Democratic.
“It remains to be seen how long leftist Jews will remain with a party which increasingly hates them. “
Watch them go even more woke to try to get back into the Left Coalition.
“[many] endorse the savagery of HAMAS without equivocation”
Could we say that those people accept the savagery as a means to a justifiable end but wouldn’t commit savagery themselves?
Is the “end” revenge for past mistreatment?
The Israel-Jew-Hamas-Gaza conflict is emotionally fueled and not resolvable by looking at facts or comparing this type of dying with that.
eds to run its course.
Well the impression they want to give is that Biden should push to end it more..
Instead of the fact kill them all is wha Israel should do and the US should stop trying to stop them from doing so.
We could say that, but it is certainly not true. If they fantasize about it, they can do it. Given permissive conditions, most people can commit any acts of savagery they can imagine, and plenty more they did not even imagine they could do.
There is a lesson there for us as well. Keep the hyperbole and fantasy under firm restraint. People may be unfortunate enough to get exactly what they wish for. It is never what they thought it would be.
Is the “end” revenge for past mistreatment?
No, that is merely an excuse.
The Israel-Jew-Hamas-Gaza conflict is emotionally fueled and not resolvable by looking at facts or comparing this type of dying with that.
That is sadly, true. That does not leave much to work with.
The conflict can be resolved only by the passing of generations. No one currently living can or will "solve" this problem. The classic remedy is war, resulting in extermination or enslavement or expulsion of one of the hostile populations.
That is what we are seeing now. That is how the conflict will be solved.
“resolved only by the passing of generations.”
The antisemitism has existed for centuries. They are a civilized bunch. A mistake they have made over all of those centuries is that they have made themselves too easy to dislike.
The same could be said of Muslims but they (the culture) are ferocious and threatening so there’s nothing subtle underlying a dislike of them.
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