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Ukraine will spiral into WWIII if we don’t stop Russia here: Zelensky
NY Post ^ | 11/21/2023 | Social Links forJerome Starkey, Defense Editor, The Sun

Posted on 11/21/2023 6:12:36 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27

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To: Chad C. Mulligan
Because Stalin ethnically cleansed it by deporting all the indigenous Tatars in 1944. Look it up.

I looked it up and it says that there were Russian-speaking slavs there since at least the 13th century and that Catherine the Great annexed Crimea in 1783, after decades of fighing wars in Crimea to stop the kidnap and slavery of millions of Slavs being taken by the Ottoman-controlled Khanate there.

And the Russians built from scratch cities like Odessa and Sevastopol. Of course, these also made great Black Sea Naval and trading ports.

I looked, and these same history books never mentioned the word "Ukraine" throughout those many centuries.

Weird. Maybe you can help explain it to me.

21 posted on 11/21/2023 7:04:36 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

Don’t care, screw Zelensky, screw GloboHomoNazi, screw Biden Crime Family, screw the swamp, Ukraine chose unwisely.


22 posted on 11/21/2023 7:05:27 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Unfortunately he is probably correct, and we have frittered away so much money, military materiel, and Ukrainian lives that Russia probably cannot be stopped. That is why we should not have let Victoria Nuland stir this up in the first place. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Thanks, Vikki!


23 posted on 11/21/2023 7:07:04 AM PST by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: janetjanet998
Z is going to run out of warm bodies Then what?

When that happens, the Biden Worshipers and Neo Cons will send him warm American bodies to be used as cannon fodder. They won't go themselves, but they will be more than glad to send your children and grand children. While they remain over here counting their money made from the sale of war material.

24 posted on 11/21/2023 7:07:20 AM PST by sport
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To: Jan_Sobieski

When is your hero Putin going to emerge from his bunker and visit the triops who are dying for him in Ukraine?


25 posted on 11/21/2023 7:15:16 AM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: MeganC
When is your hero Putin going to emerge from his bunker and visit the triops who are dying for him in Ukraine?

I have one hero and His day is coming soon to judge the World in Righteousness. I know nothing of Putin, nor do I care for Putin’s policies, except that I agree with protecting children from Sodomites.

That said, I oppose Americans who support bankrupting our country and our children’s future for foreign wars in support of Islamic led Globalism.
26 posted on 11/21/2023 7:24:37 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
This mean, send me 20 billion more...

Let me correct that statement, "send me 20 billion more in weapons."

Destroying our enemies military without one US injury or death is a worthwhile goal. US spent 5% of its military budget to destroy half of Russia’s capability with the help of Ukraine.

27 posted on 11/21/2023 7:28:06 AM PST by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: PGR88
I looked, and these same history books never mentioned the word "Ukraine" throughout those many centuries.

Weird. Maybe you can help explain it to me

Easy, because you didn't actually really look at any history books.

Even Wiki states:

Crimea Operation (1918)

The Taurida Soviet Socialist Republic was quickly overrun by German and Ukrainian forces under command of Petro Bolbochan during the Crimean Offensive. The relative quick pace of the operation was due to desertion and widespread demoralization amongst the forces of Taurida, in addition to simultaneous peasant revolts across Crimea. By the end of April 1918, the majority of the members of the Central Executive Committee and the Council of People's Commissars, including council leader Anton Slutsky and local Bolshevik chief Jan Tarwacki, were arrested and shot in Alushta by insurgent Crimean Tatars, partially in reaction to the prior killing of Tatar independence leader Noman Çelebicihan by the Bolsheviks earlier in February. On 30 April, the Taurida SSR was abolished and former Chief of Staff Mikhail Sablin raised the colours of the Ukrainian People's Republic on 29 April 1918

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea_Operation_(1918)

28 posted on 11/21/2023 7:41:46 AM PST by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: dforest

More fear talk from a master. If we fall, Hitler-Putin will attack Poland and Germany. All Europe will fall under his revived USSR. People will be forced to go to church! Islamic people expelled, Women will have to stay home and have babies.The horror of it all.


29 posted on 11/21/2023 7:45:39 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade ( Ride to the sound of the Guns!)
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To: PGR88
I looked it up and it says that there were Russian-speaking slavs there since at least the 13th century

No. They didn't speak "Russian" in the 13th century. They spoke Old East Slavic.

Old East Slavic (traditionally also Old Russian)[a] was a language (or a group of dialects) used by the East Slavs from the 7th or 8th century to the 13th or 14th century, until it diverged into the Russian and Ruthenian languages. Ruthenian eventually evolved into the Belarusian, Russian, and Ukrainian languages

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_East_Slavic

30 posted on 11/21/2023 7:52:42 AM PST by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: tlozo

LOL. Fail. Wikipedia does not count as history. Its the 1984 ministry of truth, where history will be whatever the party demands it say today.


31 posted on 11/21/2023 7:54:14 AM PST by PGR88
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To: dforest

No way. Russia is at the end of their tank corps of modern MBTs. Their Air Force is grounded, Black Sea fleet is a shambles, Turkey has cut off mor ships from transiting in, and they haven’t changed their strategy since the beginning.

If they try to take all Ukraine, the Russians will be slaughtered like they have been already.


33 posted on 11/21/2023 8:07:27 AM PST by DownInFlames (p)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Translation: Keep me and my woke government in power or you’ll have WW-III.


34 posted on 11/21/2023 8:08:51 AM PST by Socon-Econ (adi)
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To: DownInFlames

You must get your info from propaganda CIA central. LOL


35 posted on 11/21/2023 8:08:58 AM PST by dforest
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To: BabaOreally
many political entities have controlled it during its existence.

Every Zeeper makes this ridiculous, marxist / existentialist-style argument, like it simply doesn't matter that it was a Russian for 300 years. Let's make the same argument about Texas and Arizona, shall we? It was Apache, then it was Comanche, then it was Spanish, then it was Mexican. The fact they are part of the United States is just a historical anomaly!

Sheer Nonsense.

literally every single person i met while i was there adamantly opposed to any return of the RF.

Because every Russian-speaker is so free and easy to speak to foreigners, hosted by Ukraine Government officials, in present day Azov Ukraine - especially after 2014, eh?

I was in Beijing recently - and every one of my hosts told me the LOVED Xi Jinping. Imagine that?

37 posted on 11/21/2023 8:18:46 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

Crimea has been trying to detach itself from Country 404 ever since the breakup of the Soviet Union in 1991, when former Republics were supposed to choose…..first trying to remain an autonomous republic, as it pretty much had been under the USSR…..then trying to form its own nation with an elected govt ….that was treacherously undermined by Ukrainian authorities.

Crimea has since continued to vote for referendums of autonomy and voted heavily almost exclusively for pro-Russian political reps in every election since.

Had Ukraine respected their autonomy, language, heritage, and cultural ties to Russia….as well as that of Donbas, as outlined by Minsk) all those territories would still be part of Ukraine…which however has proven it cannot exist as a multicultural country under the control of a nationalist supremacist regime.

Look it up.


38 posted on 11/21/2023 8:29:22 AM PST by silverleaf (Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out” —David Horowitz)
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To: BabaOreally
“If monuments bother you, if language bothers you, if holidays bother you, if history bothers you, if names of cities and streets bother you, then (maybe) this means that you are building your state on someone else’s territory”


39 posted on 11/21/2023 8:40:42 AM PST by silverleaf (Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out” —David Horowitz)
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To: janetjanet998

“The average age of the Ukrainian soldier is now 43 and rising
Women are now joining and being killed in combat (first Video evidence now)
Z is going to run out of warm bodies
Then what?”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Well, Ukraine is being invaded by a massive super power called Russia which core philosophy is Sovietism and imperialism. Russia being allied to all the communist nations of the planet, while being with the Islamic State of Iran and supporting Hamas.

What can Ukraine do against such an immense bloodthirsty aggressor?
They have a choice between continuing to defend their homes and families the best they can, or become enslaved by Russia. It is a nightmare for the Ukrainians to be bullied and massacred this way by the Kremlinists which are showing ZERO respect for border integrity, human life and other nations sovereignty.

For now the philosophy of the Ukrainians is simple : Live Free or Die.

t means that


40 posted on 11/21/2023 8:51:49 AM PST by USA-FRANCE
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