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US Government Pays 2 More People Injured by COVID Vaccines
Epoch Times ^ | 10/23/2023 | Zachary Stieber

Posted on 10/24/2023 8:55:06 AM PDT by george76

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To: bimboeruption

What does the number of jobs I have had have to do with anything?

What is probably relevant is that my last job was as a scientist where I did medical research into infectious diseases and countermeasures, as well as early drug development. Because of my education (molecular biology and biochemistry PhD) and experience, I understand extremely well how the body responds to vaccines, how scientific data is collected and analyzed, and how researchers work with the FDA to get the safest products possible into clinical use.


21 posted on 10/24/2023 9:43:33 AM PDT by exDemMom (Dr. exDemMom, infectious disease and vaccines research specialist.)
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To: chud

Now we know what we are worth to them.


22 posted on 10/24/2023 9:46:26 AM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: Alberta's Child

Well if they wont be compensated by the government they may have the option to sue the drug companies. Big pharma’s indemnity is invalid when fraud is present. Pfizer included the oncogenic SV40 sequence in their vaxx which they purposely hid from the regulatory agencies. I’m expecting further lawsuits as this goes on.


23 posted on 10/24/2023 9:53:06 AM PDT by jimwatx
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To: frogjerk

Literally anyone can post anything into the VAERS database.

Whenever there is a focused antivax campaign (such as the one against the HPV vaccines), reports to VAERS skyrocket.

It is up to researchers to view the reports and determine their validity. If they are valid, then they determine with further investigation whether the adverse event is related to a recent vaccination or not.

By law, certain events (deaths) MUST be reported into VAERS. If, for example, someone dies from stage IV lung cancer three weeks after vaccination, that is a reportable event. However, their death was not caused by any vaccine.

Adverse events following vaccination are caused by your immune system, not the vaccine. The vaccine is only a training guide for the immune system, but it is the immune system that does everything. The immune system goes through the same process of developing T- and B- cells and antibodies whether you receive a vaccine or have an infection. However, the inflammatory response is a lot stronger and lasts a lot longer during an infection because you still have to wait for the development and production of T- and B- cells and antibodies, which takes 2 weeks or longer. In addition, an infection causes physical tissue damage because both viruses and T cells kill infected cells. A vaccine does not cause physical damage (except for the tiny poke where the needle was inserted).


24 posted on 10/24/2023 9:53:50 AM PDT by exDemMom (Dr. exDemMom, infectious disease and vaccines research specialist.)
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To: exDemMom

Seeing as to how you are such an expert, what do you have to say about the DNA plasmid contamination in the vaxx along with the oncogenic sequences Pfizer slipped in without telling the regulatory agencies about it?


25 posted on 10/24/2023 9:57:50 AM PDT by jimwatx
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

They believed the government and their god science and for their blind obedience they got a destroyed heart. But the government was there for them with $4K, or as Bill Clinton would say, yeah your hearts destroyed, you might want to put a little ice on there...


26 posted on 10/24/2023 10:01:11 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: jimwatx

There is no oncogenic sequence from SV40 in the vaccine or in the plasmid vector used to produce the mRNA used in the vaccine.

The only SV40 sequence in the plasmid is a promoter element, which is a sequence in the DNA that signals enzymes that make RNA to attach to the DNA and start making RNA. The SV40 promoter is widely used for this purpose in plasmids. In this case, the promoter signals enzymes to make an mRNA that in turn causes the production of an enzyme that destroys an antibiotic (neomycin in this case). The reason for this is that antibiotics are used in bacterial growth medium to kill any unwanted bacteria that do not contain the plasmid.

There is another promoter element in the plasmid used in mRNA vaccine production. This is a T7 or T4 promoter. T7 and T4 are viruses that infect bacteria. That promoter element tells the bacteria to make the modified spike mRNA. It is modified to remove some of the harmful properties of the native virus spike protein.

A plasmid is a small piece of circular DNA that researchers use to force bacteria and other single cell organisms to make RNA and protein for research.


27 posted on 10/24/2023 10:04:13 AM PDT by exDemMom (Dr. exDemMom, infectious disease and vaccines research specialist.)
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To: jimwatx

Oh, I should have also mentioned that any plasmid DNA residue in the vaccine will be destroyed in the body.

Your body does not like foreign DNA, RNA, or protein and has evolved extensive mechanisms to destroy them.


28 posted on 10/24/2023 10:07:05 AM PDT by exDemMom (Dr. exDemMom, infectious disease and vaccines research specialist.)
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To: rlmorel

Nothing personal, but I am a scientist and understand the scientific/medical issues very well.

There are volumes and volumes of safety data available. I cannot possibly post them all in a single reply. So I have to pick and choose what is most relevant to post.

My expertise is in infectious disease countermeasures research and development.


29 posted on 10/24/2023 10:10:38 AM PDT by exDemMom (Dr. exDemMom, infectious disease and vaccines research specialist.)
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To: exDemMom
"...Two people, out of 676,728,782 total doses administered (as of May 2023; the CDC no longer updates this statistic so it is higher now). That sounds like a pretty darned good safety record to me..."

Well, you may well a scientist, and I am too, but if one of your colleages heard you make a statement like that, what would they think of it? It does not in the least sound like a serious statement. Not at all.

30 posted on 10/24/2023 10:33:00 AM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: exDemMom

Not according to Kevin McKernan who discovered the contamination. The Lipid Nanoparticle carrier coating used to keep the mRNA intact until it does its business also protects the DNA plasmid contamination from being destroyed by the body (for some period of time). McKernan says:

“During the process they chopped them [the DNA plasmids] up to try to make them go away but they actually increased the hazard of genome modification”

Arkmedic does an excellent job of explaining the ramifications of this on his substack.

“The important point is that the LNP is a transfectant1 medium. The lipid acts as something that takes the nucleic acid product (DNA or RNA) into the cell and potentially onto the nucleus. That’s what transfection agents do.

Don’t take my word for it of course. Here is the Pfizer-BioNtech official document that tells you that the product transfects cells and that the LNP is more effective than the commercially available transfection kit (Ribojuice™, which is designed for RNA rather than DNA).

From the document: HEK293T cells transfected with either BNT162b2-RNA (DS) or BNT162b2-LNP (DP) were incubated for 18 h before harvesting for analyses. A commercial transfection kit (RiboJuice mRNA transfection kit) was used in the transfection of cells with BNT162b2-RNA.
In other words, those Lipid Nanoparticles are designed to get DNA into the nucleus of cells, and do that job with both DNA and RNA better than a commercially available transfection product.

When I say that the LNP (which are cationic) are intended to deliver DNA into the nucleus this is not some random claim. It’s well known. Here from 2017:

“It has been reported that DNAs delivered by Lipofectamine® 2000 reach the nucleus with a high frequency only after 4 h incubation”

What that means is that if the LNPs (or lipofectamine or any other cationic lipid particle) hang around for a few hours they will transfect (bring DNA into) the nucleus of any cell that it is in contact with.”

https://arkmedic.substack.com/p/5-ways-to-skin-a-genetically-modified


31 posted on 10/24/2023 10:36:37 AM PDT by jimwatx
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To: exDemMom

So.

You think out of all of those millions of doses administered, the only adverse affects are these two that were litigated, right? (that IS what you based your derisive statement on, isn’t it? Two “adverse effects” out of 676,728,782 total doses administered, right?)

Or were you just being flippant? If you were, you can say so.


32 posted on 10/24/2023 10:40:31 AM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: rlmorel

And why does it not sound serious?

Because there were only two payouts out of 676,278,782 doses administered?

Doesn’t it occur to you that if there were real safety concerns with the vaccine, the FDA would have pulled it already (like they did with the J&J vaccine)?


33 posted on 10/24/2023 11:12:56 AM PDT by exDemMom (Dr. exDemMom, infectious disease and vaccines research specialist.)
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To: george76

Add a few zeros behind that number.


34 posted on 10/24/2023 11:25:51 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose GOD is the LORD. (Psalm 33:12))
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To: jimwatx
Nice job of repeating what you have read elsewhere, but you do not show any fundamental understanding of molecular biology.

Of course I know what a transfection reagent is. Perhaps you did not notice my tagline? Where I state that I am a researcher? In research, we transfect cells by the billions. This is how we do research on basic cell biology without using animals. I am a biochemist and molecular biologist, which means that I have a dual PhD in both protein chemistry and metabolism and nucleic acid chemistry and metabolism.

Now, let me dissect the Kevin McKernan article. First, let me point out that I read it as soon as the professional antivaxxers began to use it as "proof" of what horrible things presumably happen after vaccination. That article contains maps of the plasmids used for the mRNA vaccine production, which is how I know that the SV40 promoter controls the production of an mRNA encoding a neomycin resistance gene and that there is a T7 promoter controlling the production of the mRNA coding for the modified spike protein.

McKernan himself points out that the SV40 promoter is not the same as a full SV40 virus:

Kevin McKernan, one of the authors of the study cited in some of the posts, dismissed the claims [spread on social media] as “fear mongering” and “click bait.”

He says researchers involved in the study, which is a “pre-print” that has not been published in a peer-reviewed academic journal, discovered an “SV40 promoter” in the Pfizer vaccine.

But that’s not the same as finding the full SV40 virus in the shot, stressed McKernan, a former research director at MIT’s Human Genome Project who now runs Medicinal Genomics, a Massachusetts company that sells DNA testing kits and other laboratory materials to cannabis companies.

No, ‘monkey virus DNA’ was not found in COVID vaccines.

Oh, BTW, you only posted one link and that went to an antivax fearmongering blog. I was expecting a link to an actual Pfizer document. I have looked through that blog and found no such link. It looks like if I want to read Pfizer documents, I will either have to poke around the Pfizer website to find them or read through the FDA page on the Pfizer vaccine (which contains many links to a large volume of technical data).

I should point out that the SV40 promoter can be recognized by eukaryotic cells (cells with a nucleus, like plant, animal, and fungus cells), so if there were enough of a fragment of a plasmid to encode the SV40 promoter AND the neomycin resistance, the most that would happen would be that the cells containing it would produce the neomycin resistance enzyme for a little while until they destroy the DNA. Neomycin resistance is not oncogenic. The T7 promoter that causes bacteria to make modified spike protein mRNA does not function in eukaryotic cells. Bacteria do not contain a nucleus and are called prokaryotic cells. In addition, the ORI element in the plasmid directs bacteria to make copies of the plasmid. Eukaryotic cells do not recognize this and will therefore destroy the DNA without making more copies of it. You can read the following article for a much more detailed in-depth discussion of bacterial plasmids:

Replication and Control of Circular Bacterial Plasmids

Finally, let me point out a huge difference between me (an educated and experienced scientist) and the typical professional antivaxxer (who has never "scienced" in his/her life). When I speak of scientific data, I am always able to provide references. Even if I shoot off a quick response without references, I can *always* provide them. In my more detailed responses such as this one, I provide references directly to the scientific/medical research literature (where scientists publish their studies) as well as to government websites like CDC and FDA that rely on input from the scientific community or news articles that contain direct references to the scientific/medical literature.

Professional antivaxxers, on the other hand, usually do not provide references. They just make vague statements about some researchers somewhere who found something that is supposedly earth-shattering. Or, if they do link to a reference (as is the case with the unpublished Kevin McKernan study), they tell you that it says something completely different than what it actually says. They count on the fact that their intended audience is unfamiliar with how to find scientific references and does not have the educational background to read them even if they are motivated enough to look them up. As is illustrated in that blog you linked, they pile random facts together (without references) and then state false conclusions about them. Furthermore, they use inflammatory and false language. For example, the blog you linked says "plasmid DNA is - it’s the lab-based circular DNA particles that is replicated in big vats of poo..." I can tell you right now that NO ONE uses "poo" to grow bacteria in the lab. Bacteria is grown in sterile broth in sterile containers. The broth is made from tryptone, yeast extract, and salt. Tryptone is digested milk protein. No poo is involved in laboratory bacterial growth.

The sheer volume of misrepresented science in antivax screeds makes it nearly impossible for a scientist to systematically refute every piece of misinformation. I only have the scientific facts to use and it takes time to look up and read the scientific literature; the other side can invent lies in a heartbeat. Look how much space it has taken me to refute just a fraction of what you posted here; imagine how much time and how many pages it would take for me to refute/debunk/put into context every single claim.

35 posted on 10/24/2023 12:06:21 PM PDT by exDemMom (Dr. exDemMom, infectious disease and vaccines research specialist.)
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To: exDemMom

You equate some form of successful litigation (with a paltry, miniscule award) for safety statistics?

I was trying to have a serious discussion here, so your disrespectful “doesn’t it occur to you” reply shows how worthless this discussion is.

You may be something, you may be a “scientist” of some sort, but if this is your idea of discourse, you must work in a corner of whatever office (probably at the CDC) you work for.

And that is no longer a resume enhancer, though apparently it can provide career longevity and make you a great deal of money if you are positioned correctly.

The government health organizations are totally and absolutely corrupt. If you take their word on anything, you are the one who needs help.


36 posted on 10/24/2023 12:18:26 PM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: exDemMom

You should have said you were being flippant, and I would have let it go at that. Instead you double down on being a jerk.


37 posted on 10/24/2023 12:20:13 PM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: rlmorel
Now we know what we are worth to them.

Just the rank and file.

I'll bet there are some famous people, important (to Deep State) people injured by the vaxxes who've gotten plenty to keep their traps shut.

38 posted on 10/24/2023 12:23:20 PM PDT by mewzilla (Never give up; never surrender!)
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To: rlmorel

She can’t help herself. She is a true believer. Rather like the Japanese soldiers who wandered around the jungles refusing to surrender or believe the war was over and they lost.


39 posted on 10/24/2023 12:25:34 PM PDT by Polynikes (Nicht geimpft Mensch 2nd Klasse)
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To: rlmorel

I am genuinely sorry that you cannot comprehend just how minuscule 2 out of 676,728,782 really is. I cannot help people to understand mathematics.

If you are to believe the antivax rhetoric, people are literally dropping like flies after getting vaccinated. Yet—only two people out of the hundreds of millions vaccinated were deemed to be sufficiently injured to warrant a payment? And, based on the amount of award, those injuries were not even considered to be that significant? For something that professional antivaxxers are trying to convince you is more dangerous than skydiving without a parachute?

Yes, as I said, that 2 out of 676,728,782 shows a pretty darned good safety record for the vaccines. This is not being “flippant” but is an observation of fact.

I have discussed specific vaccine risks in other posts, so I won’t repeat them all here.


Well, I will divulge that the CDC reached out to me to apply to a GS-15 job... which I decided not to take, despite the high pay. (GS-15 salary is public data. I was tempted...)

Not only do I “take the word” of government agencies, during my career, I was one of the scientists who fed them data. I also provided scientific information to politicians.

A scientist, by definition, is someone who holds a PhD in a scientific field. It does not have to be related to medical science—a physicist is also a scientist—but my PhD in biochemistry and molecular biology is directly related to medical science. I literally spent my career in infectious disease and countermeasures research.

Note: someone like Naomi Wolf can legally call herself “Dr.” but is not a scientist since her PhD is in English Lit. She has neither the education nor the experience to speak authoritatively on vaccines.


40 posted on 10/24/2023 12:47:23 PM PDT by exDemMom (Dr. exDemMom, infectious disease and vaccines research specialist.)
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