Posted on 09/06/2023 9:42:50 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
You keep piling up words and off-topic ramblings that show how your mind works and why you don’t bother to verify anything, you just go with what you like to imagine and anything that helps feed that imagination.
The Paris story never even came close to panning out, never even started to become credible and it was extremely unlikely to have happened at that time anyway, which should have raised a red flag with you and made you dig deeper for some credible source.
Here is your Egypt/Angelina Jolie tale.
The Egypt Internet fake story is like all the other mansion claims, fake.
The Egyptian city of El Gouna specified its response to the news in a number of points, saying:
Despite the keenness to protect customer data, and not to disclose any information or details related to them, but after reviewing all records, we confirm that there is no record indicating that Zelensky or any of his family members own any property in the city of El Gouna.
News circulating online included a photo of a villa currently owned by an Egyptian family.
With regard to the photos of the contract published by some, the city of El Gouna also stresses that these images are not valid, and that the company’s contract model has nothing to do with this form.
Although the city has many celebrities who buy properties through companies, the city insists on knowing the final owner of the property, which makes the city stress again that what is being circulated on the Internet regarding this is completely untrue.
https://www.skynewsarabia.com/middle-east/1649156-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AC%D9%88%D9%86%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D8%AA%D8%AD%D8%B3%D9%85-%D8%AC%D8%AF%D9%84-%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%AA%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%83-%D8%B2%D9%8A%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%86%D8%B3%D9%83%D9%8A-%D9%85%D9%86%D8%B2%D9%84%D8%A7-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%AF%D9%8A%D9%86%D8%A9
Here is a link for you that is actually written in English.
“77.6% of surveyed Ukrainians said Zelenskyy was responsible for government corruption.”
It is no wonder that Zelensky has suspended elections until the war has ended establishing himself as a dictator... But alas, you are so much more knowledgeable than the people who actually live in Ukraine. I am sure that your assurances that Zelensky and his well-dressed wife are above the fray will quell their fears.
“Nearly all surveyed Ukrainians — 89% — in a newly released survey said corruption was the country's most serious problem after the war against Russia.”
“94% of respondents still consider corruption to be pervasive across Ukraine.”
The vast majority of Ukraine's population feels that their government is the most corrupt in the world... I am sure that they would be very relieved that fact checkers in the US have concluded that none of the stories of graft and corruption are true.
You just keep rambling about conversations from your own head.
The Egyptian city debunked the mansion story that you believe.
No, like everything else about Ukraine that causes any type of uproar the story was attacked with the same type of misinformation and tactics that were used to kill the Hunter Biden Laptop story. When everything is later proven to be completely legit the storm has passed.
Here are links that have the Egyptian mansion story in English... I thank you for your Arabic link that supposedly debunked the story... I laughed so hard that i had milk coming out of my nose.
https://medium.com/@deborahlarmstrong/zelenskys-5-million-villa-in-egypt-fe3f80f76940
In Ukraine as in the US, corrupt politicians do not directly purchase foreign properties... they use their relatives or close associates to do it for them. This gives them plausible deniability and the “fact checkers” can claim that the story is not true when in reality it is. They also play a game where actual ownership is obscured by multiple shell corporations and transactions with multiple layers of shell companies owning other shell companies.
Of course, I am explaining this to you as if you were a 5 year old for clarity, since you continually pretend that you do not know how this works. Your feigned ignorance is used for arguments sake, along with your constant stream of repeated laughable juvenile insults.
Of course, our big tech oligarchs in cooperation with Western Intelligence agencies take these types of stories down almost as quickly as they go up by banning them from various platforms such as YouTube etc... along with other despicable tactics. Despite this, it is still common knowledge that a large percentage of the money that has been going to Ukraine for the “war” has been ending up in the hands of corrupt politicians and government officials with a great deal of that actually diverted back to corrupt individuals here. This has been through a plethora of mechanisms. When one means gets discovered they replace it with another.
The collapse of FTX with Sam Bankman-Fried and associates was just one of many money laundering operations that funneled US taxpayer $$$ back to US politicians. Funny how we have poor souls who were peacefully paraded through the capitol building by police who have been rotting in prison for years, but Bankman-Fried and associates are still running around after stealing $$$ Billions. That is the way that the world works these days and the sheep such as yourself do nothing but defend the wolves that are responsible. You are a laughable character and I thank you for the entertainment value that you continue to provide.
You really have no grasp, you merely repeated the same Punch article twice, the same fake claim that El Gouna, Egypt debunks, the fake photo that El Gouna, Egypt tells you belongs to an Egyptian family and the fake Real Estate contract form that El Gouna, Egypt tells you doesn’t even resemble their forms.
Did you even read that Sky News Arabia article reporting the response of El Gouna, Egypt, the city in question from post 61?
“El Gouna, Egypt, settles the controversy over Zelinsky owning a house in the city”
August 30, 2023 - 17:02 Abu Dhabi time Cairo - Sky News Arabia
“The Egyptian city of El Gouna commented on the controversy that arose during the past hours, regarding allegations that the family of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky owned a villa inside the city.
Users on social media and a number of local media outlets in Egypt circulated news about a villa for the Ukrainian president in El Gouna.
According to a statement, “Sky News Arabia” obtained a copy of it, and the city of El Gouna confirmed that this information is “absolutely incorrect.”
And it began after an Egyptian journalist claimed that the Zelensky family had acquired a luxurious villa in El Gouna overlooking the Red Sea , before the Kiev embassy in Cairo denied the news.
The Egyptian city of El Gouna specified its response to this news in a number of points, saying:
“Despite the care taken to protect customer data, and not to disclose any information or details about them, after reviewing all records, we confirm that there is no record indicating that Zelensky or any of his family members own any property in El Gouna.”
“The news circulated on the Internet included a picture of a villa currently owned by an Egyptian family.”
“With regard to the pictures of the contract that some have published, the city of El Gouna also stresses that these pictures are not true, and that the company’s contract form is not related to this form.”
“Although the city has many famous people who buy real estate through companies, the city insists on knowing the final owner of the property, which makes the city stress again that what is being circulated on the Internet regarding this matter is not true at all.”
The link that you provided in post 61 was in Arabic and nothing more than a bad joke... I have no idea where you are getting your supposed quotes from.
Of course, the city has offered denials about who owns the property in question... that is one of the reasons a bunch of foreign oligarchs choose to buy property there... Corrupt local officials are willing to help with the charade.
Your denials about even the spending habits of a woman who often wears fashionable clothing from leading designers that cost tens of thousands of dollars show that you are nothing more than a shill for corrupt Democrats and deep state politicians. The only thing that you have provided for us here to support your defense of one of the most corrupt politicians in the world is a link that was in Arabic? I would tend to expect more from even you.
Here is one more humorous example of the work of the "fact checkers" who mean so much to you? Here is a story from Politico from 2020.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276
The "fact checker's" loved it and confimred it was all true. A couple years later after the damage was done we get this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/16/us/politics/republicans-hunter-biden-laptop.html
This is a good illustration of how the "fact checkers" and others are fine with nonsense and discredit absolutely true information. Wake-up!!!
Since it is behind a paywall I have copied and pasted the text...
Officials Who Cast Doubt on Hunter Biden Laptop Face Questions
Dozens of former intelligence officials signed a letter discounting the laptop’s contents. Republicans say the missive was part of a Biden campaign operation.
Hunter Biden, right, hugs President Biden. Both men are wearing baseball caps and dark jackets at night.
Republicans argue that a public letter sent during the 2020 presidential campaign was written at the behest of President Biden’s allies to distract from salacious material found on the abandoned laptop of his son Hunter Biden.Credit...Kenny Holston/The New York Times
Luke Broadwater By Luke Broadwater Reporting from Washington
May 16, 2023
When James R. Clapper Jr., the former director of national intelligence, testifies on Wednesday behind closed doors on Capitol Hill, he will be the sixth former intelligence official to be hauled before Congress as part of what has become an intense focus of House Republicans: a public letter sent during the height of the 2020 presidential campaign.
Republicans have seized on the document, signed by 51 former intelligence officials whom the G.O.P. has taken to calling the “spies who lie,” as a prime piece of evidence for their claims that officials inside the federal government have tried to smear and damage conservatives. They argue that the missive was written at the behest of President Biden’s allies to distract from salacious material found on the abandoned laptop of his son Hunter Biden, and that it ultimately helped the elder Mr. Biden defeat former President Donald J. Trump.
In the letter, reported at the time by Politico, former intelligence officials holding impressive national security credentials wrote that they believed that the contents of the laptop — full of evidence of drug use, prostitution and foreign business deals — could be part of a Russian campaign aimed at influencing the election, though they emphasized that they had no knowledge that was true.
Three days later, Mr. Biden cited the letter during a presidential debate to rebut Mr. Trump’s criticisms, asserting that “there are 50 former national intelligence folks who said that what he’s accusing me of is a Russian plan.”
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James R. Clapper Jr. and Sally Q. Yates testifying before Senate Judiciary subcommittee. They are sitting at a table with name cards in front of them and bottles of water. James R. Clapper Jr. will be the sixth former intelligence official to testify in front of Congress as part of Republicans’ focus on the letter.Credit...Stephen Crowley/The New York Times
Three years later, no concrete evidence has emerged to confirm the assertion that the laptop contained Russian disinformation, and portions of its contents have been verified as authentic.
Republicans now say they have uncovered evidence that the letter was part of a Biden campaign operation. According to closed-door testimony and emails, Biden campaign officials, including Antony J. Blinken, now the secretary of state, played a role in the creation of the letter. They also said a C.I.A. employee “may have” been involved in soliciting at least one signature for it.
“The public statement by 51 former intelligence officials was a political operation to help elect Vice President Biden in the 2020 presidential election,” an interim report released last week by the Republican-led House Judiciary and Intelligence Committees concluded. The report cited an email that said the letter was intended to create a “talking point to use.”
The report concluded: “The American people deserve to know that Hunter Biden’s laptop and emails were real. They always were real. The allegations that they were the product of Russian disinformation were false.”
The investigation into the signers of the letter comes as Republicans are digging into multiple aspects of the Hunter Biden story: Why social media companies suppressed it; whether his father was involved in any of his business deals; and whether anyone in government interfered with any inquiries into the younger Mr. Biden, who is currently under federal investigation.
As Justice Department officials weigh the matter, the investigator overseeing the Internal Revenue Service’s portion of the case has also come forward with allegations of political favoritism in the inquiry. On Monday, a lawyer for that investigator sent a short letter to Congress that said the investigator and the rest of his team were being removed from the inquiry, which is reaching its end as officials weigh whether to pursue charges. A spokesman for the president said he was committed to the Justice Department’s independence “free from any political interference by the White House.”
Democrats argue that the Republicans are wasting time and resources investigating the 51 former intelligence officials, who were private citizens at the time of the letter and wanted Mr. Biden to be victorious in the campaign. The former intelligence officials stress that their letter stated that they had no evidence of a Russian disinformation campaign, and that they were merely stating an opinion.
Several said they did not regret their actions.
“The Congress is wasting its time and our money by investigating the First Amendment rights of private citizens,” Mark Zaid, a lawyer who represents seven signers of the letter, said in an interview. Democrats also argue that the letter must be understood in its proper context. Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudolph W. Giuliani — whose credibility had become shaky — had been shopping around the contents of the laptop to different news media outlets, not long after a top Trump intelligence official warned that Russia was seeking to “primarily denigrate former Vice President Biden” and that “some Kremlin-linked actors are also seeking to boost President Trump’s candidacy.”
The Democrats also note that Facebook and Twitter decided to censor or limit the sharing of a New York Post article about the laptop’s contents five days before the letter’s publication in Politico.
In a statement submitted to Congress on behalf of Michael J. Morell, the former deputy director of the C.I.A., Mr. Morell said he “organized and helped draft” the statement “because of his honest and well-founded belief that Russia was involved in some way in the emergence of the Hunter Biden emails for the purpose of interfering in the 2020 presidential election.”
“The public statement was careful not to claim that the New York Post story was disinformation or that the information it reported was untrue, and Mr. Morell was careful to confirm his suspicions with public source information and the views of multiple experts in the field,” the statement said.
But Republicans are hoping to escalate the inquiry and have scheduled at least two more transcribed interviews. Representative Jim Jordan, Republican of Ohio and the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, also suggested in an interview that he would be investigating whether any of the signers had retained their security clearances and whether Congress could pass legislation to revoke them.
“The 51 people who signed that now-famous letter, my guess is they probably all had their security clearances?” he said. “Does that make sense?”
Luke Broadwater covers Congress. He was the lead reporter on a series of investigative articles at The Baltimore Sun that won a Pulitzer Prize and a George Polk Award in 2020. More about Luke Broadwater
It is obvious that you have zero interest in whether the claim is true or not but here it is anyway.
The quotes were from the city of El Gouna, Egypt, I didn’t translate the first posting so that you could know that the wording was a translation, to explain any awkward wording.
“Orascom Development denies reports Zelensky family own villa in Egypt’s El Gouna resort”
Orascom Development, the owner of El Gouna upscale resort town on Egypt’s, denied reports that the family of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky owns a villa in the resort.
The reports circulated online were “completely false,” added the company in a statement on Wednesday.
The company is committed to protecting customer privacy and does not share any information or details about its customers, the statement added. Nevertheless, it noted, after reviewing its records, it found no evidence that Zelensky or any member of his family owned a property in El Gouna.
The company also said that the reports on social media included a photo of a villa that is currently owned by an Egyptian family.
The photos of the alleged contract are also false and the company’s contract templates do not match the images that were shared, the company added.
The false reports began to circulate on social media two weeks ago when Egyptian blogger and journalist Mohamed El-Alawi claimed in a video on his YouTube Channel that the family of the Ukrainian president acquired a villa using the humanitarian aid money allocated to support Ukraine.
The reports were based on a photo of a villa that was allegedly owned by Zelensky’s wife, Olena.
The photo was accompanied by a fake contract that claimed to show the sale of the villa to Zelensky. YouTube shut down El-Alawi’s YouTube Channel yet his videos are still shared on other platforms, including Facebook, TikTok, and Twitter.
Orascom Development said it is taking legal action against those who spread false reports.
The Egyptian developer’s statement comes after its co-founder, multi-billionaire Naguib Sawiris, denied on Twitter on Tuesday that the Ukrainian president and his family owned a $5 million villa in El Gouna.”
The following article came out in October 3, 2021 from The Guardian which has been a very pro-Ukrainian source of news since the “invasion”. Although I am certain that there were denials, I do not recall any of your cherished cabal of “fact checkers” rebutting the gist of the contents at the time.
You continue protesting reports of Zelensky’s mother-in-law purchasing a mansion in Egypt supported by documentation and discovered by a well known Egyptian investigative journalist. And of course the stronger the evidence the stronger the denials and allegation that the documentation was false, along with a parade of people claiming that the story is not true. This is similar to the routine that takes place any time a corrupt politician or official gets his/her fingers caught in the cookie jar.
In this case it makes little difference because Zelensky has an established pattern of squirreling away misdirected funds into foreign investments, real estate, secret accounts, etc. etc... This is one of the reasons why such a large percentage of the people of Ukraine believe that Zelensky himself is now responsible for the extreme amount of corruption that continues to plague their country.
Zelensky was not a politician to begin with, he was a celebrity from his role as a President fighting corruption in a popular Ukrainian TV series, “Servant of the People”. He was born to a Russian speaking Jewish family in Kryvyi Rih, a major city of Dnipropetrovsk Oblast in central Ukraine. Who better to recruit as an easily manipulated sock puppet than someone that the people of Ukraine perceived as an honest fighter of corruption.
George Soros had his tentacles in Ukraine since before the Soviet Union collapsed. After the Soviet collapse his influence grew unchecked like a huge malignancy until he bragged years ago that he had more influence over Ukraine than any other person in the world. Soros and his minions hand picked Zelensky just as he/they have picked and backed many public politicians and officials such as prosecutors in large metropolitan areas all across the US. This action was also fully approved by Western Intelligence Agencies and especially the Obama administration.
I am going to live you with this article about Soros that I assume you will have no objections to because it makes no mention of Zelensky. It is from Dan Bongino who is a strong supporter of Ukraine against Russian aggression and he wrote the book, “The Man Behind the Curtain: Inside the Secret Network of George Soros:”
https://bongino.com/george-soros-speaks-out-on-ukraine-but-heres-the-real-reason-why
The Egyptian mansion story is fake, there is no way around that.
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THE VOICE OF REAL ESTATE IN EGYPT
“Enquiry on Zelenskyy Family Villa in El Gouna: Official Statement Revealed”
“In response to recent web posts alleging that Ukrainian President Zelenskyy’s family owns a villa in El Gouna, a popular Egyptian resort town, an El Gouna spokesperson has categorically refuted these claims, Invest-Gate reports.
El Gouna does not disclose specific customer information to protect client data privacy. However, after conducting a thorough review of records, it has been determined that there is no evidence of Zelenskyy or any of his family members owning any property in El Gouna.
The web posts included a photograph of a villa owned by an Egyptian family in El Gouna. It should be noted that no official transfer of ownership documents have been created for this particular unit.
Additionally, El Gouna has clarified that the contract images shared in the web posts do not match the company’s official contract template.
While El Gouna acknowledges that several celebrities make property purchases through companies, they emphasize the importance of knowing the ultimate owner of the property. In conclusion, El Gouna firmly states that these articles are false and appear fabricated.”
https://invest-gate.me/news/enquiry-on-zelenskyy-family-villa-in-el-gouna-official-statement-revealed/
I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. Obviously, you didn’t bother to take even a cursory look at the links that I placed in my last mostly conciliatory post. You are the one who has been fixating on this one situation and bringing it up over and over again while ignoring the scores of other corruption and foreign investment scandals involving Zelensky and his fellow Soros associated pals. It reminds me of the non-stop coverage of the events of January 6 and the Steel dossier by the mainstream media meant to distract people from other more serious events.
It is a relief that you finally stopped harping about Zelensky’s clothes whore wife. And I thank you for that, but the Egyptian mansion is a complete non-event compared to the fleece job being done to the taxpayers and consumers of the US by the corrupt Ukrainian regime.
You remind me of a defense attorney for a guy with multiple drunk driving convictions with a suspended license who smashed into multiple parked cars leaving paint and broken pieces from his car behind... When a neighbor turned him in, the attorney made the argument that the car must have been stolen and then returned without the guy’s knowledge.
Zelensky and his administration is known to have engaged in all sorts of devious transactions. The only mystery is which one of his buddies he will use as a scape goat next. This week it was his defense minister... who will it be in the next round?
Obviously, I am not interested in devoting my life to your rambling, endless discussions on whatever enters your mind, I simply corrected you on two fake stories.
To: JudyinCanada
The Paris shopping story was fake and there is no Egyptian mansion.
8 posted on 9/6/2023, 10:52:29 AM by ansel12
You are not doing Zelensky any favors. And I it won’t hurt my feelings if you stop replying to my replies to you. You have been fixating on two stories that I was not even the first to bring up and have little interest in because they are both nothing in the overall scheme of things. Ukrainian government officials including Zelensky have scammed the US out of many $Billions and you are worrying about a piece of gum stuck to one of their shoes that you claim that they didn’t step on.
And the website you linked to is a scam site... It is almost funnier than the Arabic website you linked to earlier. What a joke.
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/invest-gate.me
Your link didn’t say anything about a scam site.
https://invest-gate.me/reports_category/indepth/
That arabic site on this question of Egyptian real estate was labeled as skynewsarabia “Sky News Arabia an Arabic 24-hour rolling news channel broadcast mainly in the Middle East and North Africa. It is a joint venture between UK-based Sky Group and Abu Dhabi Media Investment Corporation (ADMIC)”
What a pleasant surprise you are still here blessing me with your witty insight!
Your posting history shows that is not an accurate description of your recent activity... but you are free to characterize it anyway you like.
The most recent story on the link that you just shared from your authoritative website is from September of 2021. The link that I shared shows that the site has 0 reviews and says, “This business's profile is brand new, so we're still gathering data.” Looking over the site's history on the “Wayback Machine” doesn't help a lot either. It just doesn't add up.
Your Arabic website:
is more of a joke in the context of our discussion here. “The quotes were from the city of El Gouna, Egypt, I didn't translate the first posting so that you could know that the wording was a translation, to explain any awkward wording.”
Oh, give me a break!
The one who keeps wasting time and effort here nitpicking on stories that are credible but insignificant in the big picture. The denials that you have provided are from laughable sources that have no credibility.
“Egyptian investigative journalist Mohammed Al-Alawi provided exclusive materials concerning the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy. According to the documents, Zelenskyy’s family has acquired a luxury villa in “the city of millioners” El Gouna. According to investigation, Olga Kiyashko, whose name matches the name of Zelenskyy’s mother-in-law, owns a VIP estate worth $5 million. Political scientist Abdulrahman Alabbassy draws a conclusion that the president's relative purchased the estate with the humanitarian aid funds allocated to Ukraine by the West to repel Russian military aggression.”
Here are two videos that should be watched by people here who are interested in expanding their knowledge about Zelensky and company from Scott Ritter.
https://mronline.org/2023/08/09/a-scott-ritter-investigation-agent-zelensky-part-1/
https://rumble.com/v2zlfyg-zelensky-has-mansions-around-the-world.html
Actually, the second video is an excerpt from the first that addresses Zelensky’s real estate holdings.
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