Posted on 09/06/2023 4:40:38 AM PDT by CFW
They didn’t have a warrant to get the code. They just showed him the warrant to search the safe.
Liberty Safes program in a secret backdoor code that you can't change.
In fact, most if not all electronic locks have secret backdoor codes.
If your guns are in a safe, are you protecting yourself or your guns?
” they did the correct thing.”
Really? You think so? The courts granting a search warrant for an individuals property does not also mean vendors who have had business or sold products to that individual must provide information to aid in their search. A completely separate order is needed to force a company to divulge information to the courts.
Unless said order expressly ordered the safe manufacturer to turn over the combination, then this company did NOT do the right thing, they did the “easy” and cowardly thing.
If the order expressly told them to do so, they had no choice, but if all they had was a general search warrant for someones property, and LE showed up with that warrant, and gave over the access codes based on that, they did not do the “right thing” they did the cowardly thing.
I am just wondering how they knew that he had a safe and knew what brand of safe he had. Sounds like a previous illegal entry is where they got that information.
Reason Number 2 to only have a manual system.
Reason Number 1 is that the digital ones aren’t very secure anyway.
Reason Number 2 to only have a manual system.
Reason Number 1 is that the digital ones aren’t very secure anyway.
I am just wondering how they knew that he had a safe and knew what brand of safe he had. Sounds like a previous illegal entry is where they got that information.
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It’s amazing how fast these bastards can act when it’s not Hunter’s laptop.
Sounds like the FBI made the mistake of announcing that Liberty Safe had given them the code...so we’re seeing a pathetic, but valiant, attempt at damage control here.
Yep considering that the FIB has had that laptop for 4 years now.
Reason Number 1 is that the digital ones aren’t very secure anyway.
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Now let’s shift the conversation to old time manual tumbler safes. How safe are they? Is the term ‘safe’ just a misnomer?
“I’m wondering if their is some sort of master override code that ties to serial number so it’s not the same on every safe but the company can always help the owner unlock it ... or give it to the feds.”
My thought too, a backdoor code for ‘contingencies’. The next, OBVIOUS, question is just who has access to that back door? In other words, how many people at Liberty Safe can always pull up the code to your safe, and how carefully are those people screened.
“But I’m sure Microsoft bitlocker and telegram and others don’t have any backdoor, right??”
But we already know that - many got fooled here.
“How many times have you had to “go to a locksmith about your gun safes”??”
Nice, I was wondering about that post too.
A manual system would just force the FBI to destructively enter the safe.
I don't think this is true for Liberty Safes, but most smaller electronic locks have a manual key backup that can easily be picked (See the Lockpicking Lawyer.)
Everyone opens their safe with a bad guy’s pistol in their two year old’s ear.
Changing your code means nothing. These are built-in manufacturer codes that cannot be changed by you.
LPL is amazing. That’s the thing with manual safes, I’ve never seen one without a key bakcup even on full sized ones and guys like him can get that opened much faster than going to the manufacturer for a code.
I surprised they didn’t just drill it or something instead of this pr nightmare. It’s really letting the cat out of the bag for little return
Yep, 100%. We had a Liberty safe wenched out of our deceased father-in-law's basement, and the (moronic) thieves made a cellphone video of them breaking into it. They had it open in less than a minute with crowbars.
Lefty Apple put up more of a fight that Lib(erty) Safe.
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