Are 500,000 dead and wounded in Ukraine enough? Apparently not.

The Hill ^ | 09/02 | DOUGLAS MACKINNON

[Mariner]

“Russia has put forward a highly contentious list of security guarantees it says it wants the west to agree to in order to lower tensions in Europe and defuse the crisis over Ukraine, including many elements that have already been ruled out.”

“Somehow you don’t know that Russia has demanded that nato must withdraw from every single former soviet block country.”

The only “former soviet block” countries that Russia has “demanded” that NATO vacate are the Baltics.

The remainder of the post 1997 countries were all Warsaw Pact.

[Mariner]

“The Russian deputy foreign minister, Sergei Ryabkov, said on Friday that there was no deadline for talks but that Russia wants to begin negotiations “without delays and without stalling”.

“We can go any place and any time, even tomorrow,” he said in animated remarks.

Asked whether he thought the requests were unreasonable, he said no. “This is not about us giving some kind of ultimatum, there is none. The thing is that the seriousness of our warning should not be underestimated,” he said.

Dmitri Trenin, the head of the Carnegie Moscow Center, wrote that Russia’s public release of its proposed agreements “may suggest that Moscow [rightly] considers their acceptance by west unlikely”.

“This logically means that [Russia] will have to assure its security single-handedly, most probably by mil-tech [military technical] means,” he wrote.”

You read that part of your source article, right?

Those are some “demands”. There’s no ultimatum, no “or else”.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

—-> Once again these were Russia’s demands, including abandoning Poland. Is Poland a homo country you fool?

No. You remain simplistic in your thinking… though your response indicates an emotional reaction than thinking. Now you’ve advanced to name calling - another sign of an emotion-driven response.

Sad. Are you vaxxed?

[amnestynone]

How do you negotiate a peace with someone who rarely lives up to treaties?

[aMorePerfectUnion]

—> How do you negotiate a peace with someone who rarely lives up to treaties?

Both sides fit that description. You must make it verifiable with consequences for either side.

[amnestynone]

If they don’t intend to live up to agreements then why would they accept something like that?

[Williams]

What a fraud you are.

[Reverend Wright]

"You’re a kook. Western Civilizaion should be conquered by a KGB psychotic. Yeah right."

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This is where "Western Civilization" has got to after it abandoned Christianity. Not only does it do this to their own children, it tries to force this on every unwilling nation in the world.

This is not the end point. The woke depravity of the West is an ongoing process that will get worse and worse and worse.

The West Globohomo Regime has become an Evil Empire, and it needs to Fall.

Throughout the Bible, the Lord raises up the violent and the ruthless to punish the wicked. And the same will happen to "Western Civilization" unless it repents.

[ought-six]

“What Former Soviet Republics are now part of NATO? You know the difference between the Warsaw Pact and the Soviet Union I’m sure.”

Williams said the “Soviet Bloc” countries, NOT the former Soviet Republics. But, of course, you couldn’t refute what Williams said so you CHANGED what he said: That is a fallacious response.

I thought you were better than that.

The (Western) Soviet Bloc countries were: East Germany; Poland; Czechoslovakia; Hungary; Romania; Bulgaria; Albania.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

How will you know ahead of time, short of mind-reading

[amnestynone]

Because of past experience with Russia they do not even live up to migrant bird treaty. They only way they would accept a treaty that could be enforceable is it it wan a camouflaged surrender by them.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Guess we will disagree - and I’m perfectly comfortable with that.

Since I have no say in what happens, it doesn’t matter.

I do not want to see more death on either side.

I do not want the globohomopedos to win.

I do not want WWIII, and that is where this is headed.

[Mariner]

I have been corrected and edified by Williams.

And I apologize for calling him a liar.

[MarMema]

Prove that with a link or admit you are lying.

[Williams]

No
Who the hell are you to demand anything?
And I gave a link do you even bother to read?

[Williams]

Ok ty.

[MarMema]

Ukraine was in a civil war for 8 years when Russia invaded.

Peaceful country...😂😂😂

[Does so]

“How is it that we are happy about this war?”

It’s “just a minor incursion “
—FJB

[ransomnote]

In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Are 500,000 dead and wounded in Ukraine enough? Apparently not., Alter Kaker wrote:

FJB could stop the war today, but he has sworn to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian life.

What is this garbage? Biden has done precious little to help the Ukrainians. They didn't need his permission to defend their country, and they'll be fighting for it long after he's gone.

Biden has given $113 Billion taxpayer dollars to the Ukraine so far, money which was then divided among the elites running the proxy war, including himself no doubt. He's spending our money, more than any other foreign aid to a war the US has ever supported via funds, while holding our borders open to foreigners of fighting age, flooding into our nation with third world diseases. Texas  now  has a leper colony. More states will need them soon enough. He's  given them weapons, money and he's paying official's salaries and pensions - things he won't do for our country, he will do for his money laundering hub and home of his MetaBiota biolabs (bio warfare) in the Ukraine.

Since there's little if any appreciation for his theft and redistribution of American wealth in the US or the Ukraine, he should stop shoving our money down that particularly drain.

[armourenthusiast]

Do you remember President Trump getting impeached for trying to figure out what was happening in Ukraine?