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Hawaiian Electric responds to lawsuit filed by County of Maui over Lahaina fire
Maui Now ^ | August 28 2023 | Wendy Osher

Posted on 08/28/2023 6:07:18 AM PDT by texas booster

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To: erlayman

Localized power outages were reported early on.

Trying to find an article about how some water pumps couldn’t be used without any power.

Certainly is true of the big city water pumps, and why they have diesel backup generators that get tested regularly.

At least, they are tested regularly by any competent city administration.


21 posted on 08/28/2023 7:37:04 AM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

I have watched many of his videos ...

Looks like he may be onto something locally.


22 posted on 08/28/2023 7:38:05 AM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: cableguymn

And still no one mentions the failure to mow the huge sections of wild grass that surrounded Lahaina.
Cut, clear, burn. Your path to wildfire safety!


23 posted on 08/28/2023 7:40:39 AM PDT by 9422WMR
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To: Danie_2023

“How hot do car fires(plastic, tires, upholstery) fires get in temperature? Wouldd they be hot enough to melt the glass and aluminum ?”

gasoline burns at 3550 degrees, ethanol burns a few hundred degrees hotter.

yes, car fires get hot enough to melt aluminum and glass.


24 posted on 08/28/2023 7:51:11 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: texas booster
Many, many people suspected a firebug running around the island, and had been setting fires for many years.


25 posted on 08/28/2023 8:01:06 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (⭐⭐To the Left, The Truth is Right Wing Violence⭐⭐)
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To: TangoLimaSierra

You deserve a thumbs up for your post!


26 posted on 08/28/2023 8:07:18 AM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: texas booster

Thanks


27 posted on 08/28/2023 8:15:20 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (⭐⭐To the Left, The Truth is Right Wing Violence⭐⭐)
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To: texas booster

I don’t know if it was intentionally turned off but power was out to thousands of customers due to the hurricane.


28 posted on 08/28/2023 8:23:57 AM PDT by erlayman (E )
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To: woodbutcher1963
The fact that the aluminum wheel and glass melted in the fire is curious. How hot do car fires(plastic, tires, upholstery) fires get in temperature? Wouldd they be hot enough to melt the glass and aluminum ?

I wondered if it was an EV hybrid with a battery.

29 posted on 08/28/2023 8:51:08 AM PDT by RideForever (Damn, another dangling par .....)
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To: erlayman; Red Badger; SunkenCiv; Liz; Kaslin; BenLurkin

Power down the line (on the single string of poles where the single downed pole fell) would be tripped off immediately when first wire touched the ground. Usually that single power would be connected at both ends making a loop for the circular route around the island perimeter.
At 6:30 in the morning, you’d get a power surge or flicker as various breakers tripped and reset. No long power outage at all - except on the line on the ground.


30 posted on 08/28/2023 9:05:23 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (Method, motive, and opportunity: No morals, shear madness and hatred by those who cheat.)
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To: texas booster

12 Noon - PST

Hawaiian Electric stock is up 48% as I write this.

Their $500 million in municipal bond debt dropped to Junk status on Friday. The bonds were priced at 60-65 cents on the dollar.

I cannot find a current bond price or interest rate quote. They are behind pay walls.

The interest paid on municipal bonds is tax free.

Anyone who bought those bonds for 60 cents is dancing in the street right now.

Your price adjusted, take home, interest rate will probably be close to 9% - tax free.

And, when your 60 cent bonds mature, they will pay back 100 cents on the dollar.

What a beautiful trade!

The downside - Hawaiian Electric can still go bankrupt.


31 posted on 08/28/2023 12:19:47 PM PDT by zeestephen (Trump "Lost" By 43,000 Votes - Spread Across Three States - GA, WI, AZ)
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Also see (in regards to background leading up to fire):

https://www.kitv.com/news/it-was-a-dictatorship-former-maui-police-officers-shine-light-on-complaints-against-department-chief/article_0ea3830e-0fa0-11ed-a1b1-ebfecbec9097.html

‘It was a dictatorship’: former Maui police officers shine light on complaints against department chief

‘A’ali’i Dukelow, KITV News

Jul 29, 2022 Updated Aug 1, 2022


32 posted on 08/28/2023 12:40:38 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: texas booster

I saw video of the start of the fire. The wind snapped the power lines and they gave off sparks that started the fire. They were not de-energized.

Democrats and their sacred electricity and sacred water and blocking sacred roads out.


33 posted on 08/28/2023 1:58:18 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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Hawaii’s Maui horror reveals what happens when government is broken

In the aftermath of the Maui fire that killed more than 100 people, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help’ has never looked more frightening

Mary Katharine Ham
Fox News
Published August 28, 2023 8:00am EDT

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/hawaiis-maui-horror-reveals-happens-government-broken


34 posted on 08/28/2023 8:18:28 PM PDT by SteveH
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I know someone who was staying in Kaanapali (just north of Lahaina) and she woke up to no power on Tues August 8th, and her hotel had no power for the rest of the week (she left on Sat).


35 posted on 08/28/2023 10:49:02 PM PDT by olivia3boys (t )
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Maui dodged catastrophe in wildfires five years ago but missed an opportunity to prevent future disaster, residents say

By Lewis Kamb and Evan Bush
NBC News

Aug. 24, 2023, 9:00 AM PDT

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/maui-officials-warned-lahaina-wildfires-2018-critics-rcna101515

“Officials also haven’t publicly released a county-commissioned after-action report to assess and recommend improvements to the 2018 emergency response, despite pleas by advocates and repeated requests by NBC News and other media organizations.”


Wind-whipped fire ravages Lahaina hillsides, destroys 21 structures

By Christie Wilson
Honolulu Star Advertiser

Aug. 26, 2018

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2018/08/26/hawaii-news/wind-whipped-fire-ravages-lahaina-hillsides-destroys-21-structures/https://www.staradvertiser.com/2018/08/26/hawaii-news/wind-whipped-fire-ravages-lahaina-hillsides-destroys-21-structures/


36 posted on 08/29/2023 7:00:16 PM PDT by SteveH
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