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Hawaii delayed diverting water that could have helped Maui wildfires, letters obtained by CNN allege
CNN ^ | August 18, 2023 | Isabelle Chapman and Curt Devine

Posted on 08/23/2023 11:42:59 AM PDT by george76

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To: Captain Peter Blood

> How about if they had had pumps in the ocean and used that water instead to put the fires out?

Sure. Absolutely.

However, that would require some degree of anticipation, planning, taxation, budget allocation, integration into an existing emergency plan (if any), ongoing training, and periodic maintenance at the county level.

evidently, the county emergency management was too busy attending a 3 day conference at a waikiki beachfront resort hotel (*) where perhaps these mundane considerations were somehow not being presented nor discussed.

(*) Alohilani Resort ($257/night)


61 posted on 08/23/2023 3:24:13 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: george76

That was known by the next day. This is old news (not to you, but to CNN).


62 posted on 08/23/2023 3:27:45 PM PDT by Bikkuri (I am proud to be a PureBlood.)
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

> This is all correct, except the Lahaina fire started at 6:37 am, near Lahainaluna Road. Maui officials announced the fire was 100% contained at 9:55 am, but the Lahaina fire was never declared “extinguished.” This is when the water supply problems reportedly occured. Multiple witnesses reported that the firefighters stood and watched as the Lahaina fire spread.

> The fire that started at 6:37 am would end being the same fire that burned down the town.

I was discounting that as a somewhat finer point since the fire department had declared the initial 6:37 fire as 100% contained, and i had no information that this status still would have triggered a request for more water.

The letter’s author was Mr. Tremble according to this:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/18/us/hawaii-diverting-water-delay-maui-fires/index.html

the article seems to give contradictory information as to when the letter was sent, either before the fire reached the town proper, or after. i chose the charitable later time in my earlier response, but i could have chosen the less charitable earlier time. i imagine that an investigation might look into the exact time. however, the article notes that the water would be released into the land company’s reservoirs which are apparently not connected to the fire hydrants, so (as has been brought up in other discussions elsewhere) it is somewhat debatable whether permission would have had an appreciable beneficial impact on the overall outcome.

Any further information or corrections would be interesting.


63 posted on 08/23/2023 3:36:35 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: joe fonebone

....well Joe, I don’t usually respond to insecure name callers like you but with you I’ll make an exception.

There’s one piece of equipment almost identical to a fire truck pump. Like a fire truck, it has a motor. Attached to that motor, like a fire pump, is a pump. Every day it is used in salt water and will last for years. I’m speaking of an outboard motor with a jet pump attached to it.

You simply don’t know what you are talking about. I’ll not answer you again so save your keyboard.


64 posted on 08/23/2023 7:57:36 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas
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To: Cen-Tejas

You are partially correct..
You can run an outboard in salt water, provided you properly flush it daily.
Pumps, on the other hand, are a completely different thing.
The gaskets, seals, etc. would be destroyed in short order.
Do a little research, don’t just attack people with knowledge that you don’t possess, and might turn out to be a fine human being.


65 posted on 08/23/2023 8:39:57 PM PDT by joe fonebone (And the people said NO! The End)
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To: joe fonebone

........attack???..........you called me a moron........I didn’t call you one!!

You need to apologize to me, not the other way around.

FYI, a good Suzuki lasted a friend of mine 10 years fishing in the bay and he did it religiously. He also washed it religiously after each use which goes without saying.

Finally, even if the darn firetrucks blew up, to say 1,000 lives that risk would have had to have been shouldered if I had been in charge.


66 posted on 08/24/2023 1:07:12 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas
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Hawaii power utility takes responsibility for first fire on Maui, but faults county firefighters

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/hawaii-power-utility-takes-responsibility-fire-maui-faults-102621518

It’s becoming a finger-pointing Extravaganza....


67 posted on 08/28/2023 1:37:28 PM PDT by Texan4Life
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