Posted on 07/28/2023 5:31:26 AM PDT by bitt
Anyone trust their local hospital?Seeing no hands.....
When I read about the success the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh (pop. 24,000,000) hid in driving out Covid with Ivermectin, I tried for over a year to spot the entire UP protocol. Finally I was sent to an article at Desert Review with information from a doctor (Campbell?) about the complete campaign and inputs. [I would include a link, but my Chromebook misbehaves when I skip around the net.] At any rate it included the zinc and antibiotic from Dr. Zelenko’s 3 part protocol, Ivermectin, from memory (probably Vitamins C and D). Also other inputs like aspirin substitute, oxygen measurement, etc. all in a kit. Teams visited something like 80,000 villages and treated all with symptoms. A small state, Goa, apparently has also had success with Ivermectin+, whereas another state (name not remembered) has relied on vaccine, with far less success.
Leader Modi congratulated UP’s success, not mentioning the precise treatment. Then a few days later visited the US, also not mentioning Ivermectin or other parts of the success in UP. No wonder India is not so friendly to the US compared with Russia. I feel sure they have been pressed to keep their mouth shut about Ivermectin+ protocols and successes NOT including vaccines.
[NOTE: I am using Ivermectin+ rather than Ivermectin to indicate it was not used alone in Covid treatment.]
Re ivermectin and Uttar Pradesh:
This video is old, but Dr. Mark does an excellent job of explaining why the in vitro study on ivermectin looked promising, and why it does not work in vivo (at least not without zinc), starting at about the two minute mark. He also explains why the Uttar Pradesh thing is no proof ivermectin works (for example, the most populous areas reported no deaths at all, from any cause, including car accidents, etc.). I think the whole video is still worth watching:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d17pAo6S2MU
And he generously provides all the slides and graphs he used here for download:
https://onepagericu.com/s/Debunking_Ivermania.pptx
That said, ivermectin may have saved some lives there as intestinal worm infestations are common in that area, especially in children, and research has shown that treating worm infestations improved Covid outcomes.
GOD REST MY BELOVED BROTHER!
The anti ivermectin crowd chooses to ignore, or misrepresent how it works.
It’s a zinc ionophore, not an anti-viral. It allows the zinc to more readily enter the cell and deactivate the virus since zinc does have known anti-viral properties.
And it needs to be taken early on in the viral replication phase of the illness. Once the virus is pretty much out of a person’s system, it’s not going to help much.
But some people won’t let the facts interfere with their opposition to something that works.
The Desert Review article I referred to clearly included ZINC as part of the Uttar Pradesh protocol including Ivermectin. You may recall at that time there was a hue and cry about the dangers of Ivermectin and HCQ and how they could kill you. Since people were trusting Ivermectin with their million dollar thoroughbreds, I figured the death threats were very overblown.
I had started using Quercetin as my ionophore of choice, but recently have been alternating it with EGCG (from green tea). Having just read the article on Quercetin which recommends taking a break from daily Quercetin from time to time, I am glad to have the EGCG alternative. When I was sick last winter/spring for 3 months with what might have been RSV from my partner’s sick little grandson, or maybe even Covid, I completely lost my sense of smell (couldn’t even smell Tea Tree Oil), so increased my daily 50 mg zinc to 150 mg zinc and in 5 days Tea Tree Oil smelled as pungent as ever.
I was recently diagnosed with changes in my Right eye’s optic nerve, and research I just found suggests zinc may be a problem with optic nerve health. The opthalmologist also wanted me to start using drops to lower my eye pressure from 15 to 11. I said I prefer to try some new supplements after doing specific research on glaucoma. They want to see me in 3 months to see what changes might be there. I am 85 and at that age my mother already had severe glaucoma with high eye pressure and drops which were not helping much. At 89 I brought her to live with me and improved her diet and gave supplements. There was actually some improvement in her vision after 2 months. She died at 90 of congestive heart failure from failure of the pig valve given her heart 11 years earlier. She was too frail for another valve surgery.
At any rate balancing various medical conditions and assorted possible treatments is a real challenge requiring careful research, cooperative physicians, and a strong will when NO seems an essential response. Doctors are taught to only trust large, double blind studies, and very few of those have been done on nutrition. Dr. Robert Cathcart has 10,000 anecdotal successes using high vitamin C intravenous treatment for a number of illnesses. His work is being ignired by the main stream for being only anecdotal. Based on earlier research by a Dr. Klenner, about 35 years ago I may have saved a woman’s life at a wilderness campout. She had been stung in the neck by 3 yellow jackets and forgot her bee allergy kit at home. Her eyes were swollen shut and she was choking severely when I came for my volunteer stint at the camp’s MASH tent. Fortunately they had a big bottle of Vitamin C. I crushed ten 1 gram tablets, mixed in water and had her drink. In 20 minutes her eyes were open and her choking had stopped. Over the next 8 ours I gave her a total of 50 grams of Vitamin C orally. I was told she had hiked out the next day 3 miles with her friends. Fortunately, Vitamin C has very low toxicity, so I felt it a reasonable treatment for her emergency.
A big problem is that for 10 or more years Dt Fauci has managed $6 billion a year for research giving it most to favored drug companies. I saw that on May 1, 2020, he approved Remdesivir (Giliad Sciences) for Covid patients. Then on May 11 he announced NIH would have a study of hospitalized patients to see if low cost HCQ and Azithromycin could help Covid patients. This was clearly designed to fail as Fauci must have been aware of the March 23, 2020, letter to Trump and Mark Meadows outlining those two drugs and ZINC as a $20 treatment protocol. Se. Zelenko explained ZINC was the virus stopper and HCQ the IONOPHORE that helped get Zinc into Covid infected cells. He also urged the earliest possible treatment before the virus had multiplied and infected too many cells. Subsidized Remdesivir cost us taxpayers around $3,000 each treatment course.
While Gilead Science’s pockets were being lined by our tax dollars, TV ads were urging AIDs patients who had used any of several Gilead drugs for AIDs to join a class action suit against the company. Gilead had discovered dangerous side effects, but refused to stop using the original formula, and only began using the improved formula after all the old defective drugs were sold. Now that Fauci is gone, perhaps we can urge Congress to insist that NIH fund more research on Supplements and other non drug treatments of illness. For example, let’s look at Dr Cathcart’s 10,000 successful IV Vitamin C uses. Or let’s do a much bigger study on the changes in IgG 1 thru 4 changes in ratios based on the number of Covid shots people have had. I for one would like to be tested to see if my IgG immune system has been altered by 2 J&J shots or 2 flu shots in the past 2 years.
The Hindu Kush? (meaning Hindu Slayer)...
It does look like they included zinc (and other things like doxy) in the package in Uttar Pradesh. But there is still no proof that it worked because the data is useless. Again, *no deaths from any cause* in the the most populous districts were reported. Unless you want to believe that people suddenly stopped dying of anything (including traffic accidents, old age, etc.) then it’s a classic case of GIGO (garbage in, garbage out).
Yes, people use ivermectin once or twice per year to worm their horses, and have since the 1980s when it became available. It’s great stuff. Sure beats the old way of “botting” horses, which was gross and messy. I used to he!p the vet “bot” the horses back in the 1970s. It involved a rubber hose up the poor horse’s nose and then gobs of nasty bots spewing out. Yuck, but had to be done.
Again, it’s an old, safe drug. It’s a single dose cure for all kinds of nasty parasites. To my knowledge, it has never been taken continuously over long periods of time as some people are doing for Covid prevention, so we don’t know whether if it is as safe when used this way. We’ll find out, I suppose.
As much as I wish it was effective against Covid, I have found no evidence that it is, and and I understand the reasons it is not effective. I do concede that it may be helpful in strengthening one’s immune system as an ionosphere of zinc. But then if quercetin is just as effective as an ionosphere of zinc, why not use it instead?
Yes, one does need to do careful research and it is quite challenging. I find it encouraging that there have been more studies done on nutrition and supplements in recent years. For example the studies showing curcumin (and Sam-e) effectiveness for osteoarthritis in place of NSAIDS. And research showing nicotinamide (form of Vitamin B3) is effective in helping to prevent recurrence of squamous cell carcinoma. And so on. I do hope there will be more.
I am a big believer in nutrition and in supplementing as needed (and, as we age, our bodies are less efficient at synthesizing certain things, such as D3 and melatonin and K2 and it makes sense to supplement to make up the difference).
Doctors like well-constructed large-scale double-blind studies for the same reason I do: they want to know the truth and such studies are the best means we have of finding the truth. True, they are not always available. There are times we might try things that look promising when nothing else is available while waiting for proper studies. I have followed a number of both Big Pharma and natural supplements go through trials over the years which looked very promising in the initial phases, but bombed out in Phase III. Stuff doesn’t always work the same in a human body as it does in a Petri dish or a mouse body.
It was originally hoped ivermectin would help mitigate Covid because it had been tested on green monkey tissue infected with SARS-1 back when they were trying to find something that would work on that. Trouble is, to match the amount applied to the monkey tissue in the lab, one would have to consume crazy high doses of ivermectin, and even then it would not be metabolized so as to be effective in fighting off Covid. Vinegar and bleach may kill viruses on your countertop, but drinking vinegar ain’t got a prayer of curing you of a virus, and no one is dumb enough to drink bleach, surely.
It’s true that some “Big Pharma” drugs have turned out to have unacceptable side effects. It’s also true that other drugs produced by the same company have continued to be safe and effective for decades. It’s also true that some cheap OTC drugs we thought were safe for years, turned out to have harmful effects when used continuously over years (eg NSAIDS) or increased risk for diseases such as dementia (anticholinergics such as Benedryl — which also are *not* a good idea in the elderly).
I don’t automatically trust “Big Pharma” drugs. Even many years ago, I didn’t. When I was about to leave for an area where multi-drug resistant malaria was prevalent, my doctor prescribed Lariam (mefloquine). I looked it up in the Merck Manual (this was before the internet) and decided not to fill that prescription. And glad I made that decision, too, after I met an American who got her prescription filled and was very sorry (horrible neurological side effects). I’d rather take doxy, thanks, or even take my chances with malaria.
Glaucoma is nothing to fool around with, as you well know. You don’t mention which new supplements you want to try, and I assume they are from a list such as this one, but I don’t immediately see any connection with zinc (although there might be):
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8840399/
Of course, taking zinc is certainly not the answer, and could be harmful:
Excerpts:
“But there’s something else to know about zinc: too much can be toxic. The body maintains a precise balance by increasing or decreasing the amount absorbed in the gut and by active mechanisms that take place inside cells after zinc is digested. The retina also has several ways to protect itself, like transporters that can carry away unwanted zinc. When these protective mechanisms aren’t working properly or they’re overwhelmed, health problems can arise.”
And:
“They discovered that zinc is released from cells within an hour after the optic nerve is injured acutely—but they were surprised to find that it didn’t come from retinal ganglion cells. Instead, zinc was released from amacrine cells, which are interneurons in the retina that communicate with ganglion cells. Retinal ganglion cells only began to die after they’re affected by high levels of zinc leaking from injured amacrine cells.”
Anyway, sometimes using a safe and proven prescription med is the best course, with or without adding natural supplements. Some “natural” supplements really do work, while others just give you expensive urine, as I am sure you know. I used quotation marks because so often what we think of as “pharmaceuticals” are natural, too. Penicillin was derived from a mold, aspirin from willow bark. What is more natural than mold and tree bark?
I have not researched it as you have, but it stands to reason that using prescription eye drops to lower the pressure in your eyes plus taking antioxidants and supplements that lower inflammation and promote nerve health/help repair nerve damage might be your answer — approach the disease from all angles. Without lowering the pressure that causes damage, you are fighting an uphill battle.
If you have normal blood pressure, you might want to look at butyrate and ask your doctor about it, if you haven’t already. In addition to lowering neuroinflammation (which I already knew about, I was surprised to see it may also lower IOP. This is just a rat study, so view with caution of course:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30001267/
I got interested in butyrate when my Dad had a disease very similar to ALS (and was pleasantly surprised when it almost instantly cured his IBS — great added bonus). ALS patients have sworn by it for many years, some taking it as an OTC natural supplement early on before the newer formulations became available, and the FDA finally approved an improved formulation:
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-new-treatment-option-patients-als
I do hope all goes well with you and you can prevent glaucoma! Such a cruel disease. 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you for the detailed comments. I will photocopy and follow up on some of your sources. The reasons I rejected the eye drops the Kaiser Permanente opthalmologist wanted me to take are several. He answered me that accepted range of eye pressure is 11 to 21. My mother had above that and was on drops. My most recent is 15 but doc wants to push it down to 11. I want to research that. Only the one eye is affected with the optic nerve anomaly. I asked him to check back over 7 years of my tests. My highest reading was 17, and mostly 16. Last two years more 15s. This doctor was on temporary loan to the office where I was seen. He accepted my rejection of the drops but urged me to schedule follow up in 3 months which I will do. There did seem to be slight improvement in my affected eye from the previous test 2 months earlier which was given less than 2 months after I had recovered from 3 1/2 months of continual illness mostly expressed as bronchitis with frequent coughing. I don’t know if intense coughing can injure the eye. I had no other blows to the eyes in recent years. There had been no previous sign of problems with the optic nerve in annual physicals and glaucoma alert has been in my file because of my mother.
In preliminary research about healing of the optic nerve with natural items I found the concern expressed about too much zinc being a possible issue. I had increased the zinc while ill with the bronchitis but lowered the amount once my smell returned as described in the comment you responded to. I use Quercetin with the zinc to maintain protection against Covid, and now other viruses. HCQ and Ivermectin are probably stronger as IONOPHORES, but the Quercetin seems to do the trick for me, so I don’t feel the need to fight the doctors for a subscription.
My Vitamin D3 was 66 (mid optimal) as tested by KP in Dec. 2021. In Dec. 2022 it was insufficient, but they used some kind of measure I have never seen in the D3 scientific studies so I could not evaluate. With worrying about the 3 Cancer cases among loved ones, and other problems my weight was up to 157 and BMI of 27.5. I have since cut my carbs and am down to 140 lb., thus below the 25 BMI which seems to be a critical level above which too much Vitamin D gets stored in fat rather than circulating in blood. I also increased my Vitamin D3 intake.
THIS IS SOMETHING PEOPLE IN SOUTHERN STATES MAY NEED TO DO IN SUMMER WHEN HEAT DRIVES THEM INDOORS AND THEY BECOME DEPRIVED OF THE SUN’S VITAMIN D. This could explain the ANNUAL INCREASE IN COVID CASES AT THIS TIME OF YEAR IN THE SOUTH, as is currently happening.
I tried to locate the original Desert Review article I found with the complete information about the Ivermectin use campaign if India’s Uttar Pradesh state. I was given this page by Yahoo, which did not have the Number I article, but follow-ups II, III, IV, and V. I will search further and read those follow-ups.
https://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UTF-8&fr=crmas_sfp&p=desert+review%2C+story+on+ivermeectin+use+in+Indian+state+of+Uttar+Pradesh
I could not figure out why I now get Yahoo rather than Google as my default search site. Will have to wait daytime for help from my Computer literate partner. Meanwhile I read the first article on the search page which is a letter to the editor apparently following the first in the series of Desert Review articles. I believe the first (missing) article was published in April or May of 2021. All the others have later dates. Here is the link for the Letter to the Editor, which like most other writings ONLY talks about the Ivermectin without listing all the other parts of the treatment packages like ZINC, handed out to 87,000 villages in Uttar Pradesh by the health teams.
https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/letters_to_editor/ivermectin-saves-india/article_14b1f1d6-cd2f-11eb-8b78-9710d864f627.html
I have just looked at the first NIH link in this comment. It certainly has a lot of information about supplements, and a huge number of references so it will take a while to cover the material as well as researching some of the technical language.
I began taking extra supplements over 50 years ago, when I discovered the books of Adele Davis, adding to them as new symptoms appeared and were eliminated by their use. Early cures were varicose veins, menstrual cramps, and back pain. This convinced me to learn a lot about healing with supplements and I have apparently helped a number of people successfully over the years. I have been taking the basic vitamins and minerals for many years, adding boron for bone maintenance in my 60s.
In recent years I have added MSM and glucosamine-condroitin for joint pain, turmuric, gingko biloba, ginseng, Co-Q10, Vitamins K1 and K2, and beet root powder. For my cataracts causing problems 3 years ago I added bilberry, Astaxantin, lutien, and blueberry with ??. I have had around a 75% improvement in light sensitivity which was very problematic when driving in bright sun or from car lights at night.
In recent months I have been hearing about Adult Stem Cell Regeneration, changing white fat cells to brown fat cells to loose weight, and other weight loss supplements, Two months ago I started using Milk Thistle, Holy Basil, Bee Propolis, Olive Leaf, Tart Cherry, and Green Tea Extract or ECGC combos. I also found some Saffron and plan to order more. These seem to have hastened my energy improvement from the 3+ months bronchitis early this year.
For Covid prophylaxis I have Quercetin, zinc, Vitamins C and D3 for added use if I have been out in public and possibily exposed to infected people. Since many don’t show Covid illness effects and can still be infected, I am very careful and will sometimes use a mask in crowded areas especially in winter. I also used NAC to help my bronchitis and add it sometimes if my lungs or throat feel a little funny. I am swallowing a lot of supplements morning and evening, and popping a gram of C whenever my nose gets congested from house dust, cool weather mold, and ragweed allergies. I hate adding more to swallow, but nevertheless will continue swallowing and experimenting as life changes me.
My partner grows his own as it is legal in our area and helps him with fatigue, back pain, and poor mood. I accidentally took a significant quantity of his tincture and did not like the feeling AT ALL, so will probably not try MJ for my glaucoma unless some serious info is developed on its usefulness for that. I don’t have his problems as my supplements seem to do the job fine.
Remdesivir is in routine, everyday use for hospitalized COVID patients.
But why?
It’s so toxic that they stopped using it for Ebola patients.
It kills people and causes kidney and liver damage in those who do survive.
How does a corona virus warrant that kind of poison being used when antibiotics to prevent pneumonia and steroids to reduce inflammation could do the job?
Why has no other treatment, especially early treatment protocol, been investigated and developed since Covid came on the scene?
They’ve had over three years and hundreds of thousands of cases to experiment on. They should have had enough time and resources to develop a treatment protocol that actually works instead of killing people. Instead, they use something that kills half the people who get it and maims many of the rest.
This is no attack on you, but this just doesn’t make any sense. How does the medical community justify it?
Because this statement: "It kills people and causes kidney and liver damage in those who do survive", no matter how many times it is repeated, is untrue.
Since the realization that dexamethasone should be given with remdesivir in June 2020, death from COVID in hospitalized patients has, fortunately, become rare.
So the dexamethasone is needed to keep Remdesivir from killing people.
So the statement IS true that remdesivir is toxic and kills people.
I think it’s more complicated to take the experience from March-June 2020 when the inflammatory phase of fatal COVID was poorly understood and conclude, therefore, “remdesivir kills people”.
Believe what you want, of course.
I recently had a patient who repeatedly refused remdesivir even though his O2% kept falling, because “remdesivir kills you”. Of course, he was free to choose but also of course I was pushing it.
At more or less the last minute, he changed his mind and his O2% started to rise within about 12 hours. He got 5 days remdesivir, and he survived.
The poor quality of the information that has come from public health authorities for the duration of this event is a scandal. People like me have been making it up as we go, relying on our own understanding of viral diseases and organ failure. Sometimes things we have done have worked well, other times not so much.
But if you got severe COVID after, say, September 2021 and you made it to a hospital with some lung function left, you should have lived. I myself have had only two deaths in the past 18 months.
Good talking to you.
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