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Ukraine: Counteroffensive to Persist Despite Dam Destruction
Newsmax ^ | June 7, 2023 | Nick Koutsobinas

Posted on 06/07/2023 6:46:35 AM PDT by Navy Patriot

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To: Navy Patriot
--- You were written: "Stop your filthy blood libel by calling these freedom loving people nazis. Their president is Jewish and you are an idiot."

This was also a fascinating comment. The accusation of "blood libel" -- the use of a child's blood for the making of Passover matzoh -- is an insult to the complex history of the blood libel itself.

Additionally, the history of Ukraine includes National Socialists' allies, per the basic resource on the OUN parties, per WIKI.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_of_Ukrainian_Nationalists

I have posted the WIKI resource to other threads, and been told that the partisans of one side in the Ukraine-Russia was don't care.

Lastly, the assertion that Zelensky is Jewish is as valid as those who like to claim that Karl Marx was Jewish because fore-bearers were. Karl Marx was anti-Jewish, as many sources can prove. Zelensky married a Christian woman, and there is no current evidence that he 1) supports a local Jewish congregation, 2) attends, 3) studied Torah, or anything of the sort.

So wrapped into a single attack aimed at you were empty assertions, misuse of historical and religious terms, and a slur. This is what seems to pass today for partisan cheer-leading in the Russia-Ukraine war, a conflict officially between two non-NATO nations and having nothing at all to do with the Jewish population of either Ukraine or Russia. "Blood libel" as an accusation addressed to you is itself has a clear historical line, and it is not pretty. That individual should apologize, but probably won't.

21 posted on 06/07/2023 8:13:41 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Navy Patriot

It was interesting that somehow my Android auto-correct changed “responding” in my last post to “reponing”, a much less common word... Simple stupidity is everywhere.


22 posted on 06/07/2023 8:14:00 AM PDT by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

Thank you for your analysis and observations. I always appreciate posts which attempt to educate and raise the level of discourse, along with hopefully shaming the rubes into a small amount of self-awareness.


23 posted on 06/07/2023 8:22:45 AM PDT by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: tired&retired

The water levels in the reservoir were high because the Ukes hoarded large amounts of water in the upriver dams they controlled, then began a massive release in concert with blowing the dam, to add to the pressure and volume of flooding. This operation began about Feb when the Russians began to complain water from upstream was not being released. By May the Ukes had topped up their dams and began to release large flows ov water downstream.

It was a plan.

The fact that this dam was, shall we say, severely compromised within 72 hours of Uke launching its “ counteroffensive” is not a coincidence.
Today despite the flooding..the Ukes continue large water releases to increase flooding.

Draw your own conclusions.

The Russian military assessment is that the Ukes blew the dam now ( a plan they practiced since last year and which the Russians reported to the UN, seeking investigation and prevention) is to provide an excuse to withdraw some of their own forces from Kherson to send them to battle further north. Where things are not going as well as the Fellas report, and where more meat is required for human wave supported infantry attempted attacks.

The flooding prevents the Russians from moving back into Kherson to take advantage.

The flooding also disrupts the Russian echeloned defense system of trenches and mines Surovikin prepared on the Dnieper left bank since last fall after evacuating forces from Kherson.

In several weeks, as the flooding dissipates, lower water levels while still swampy, could enable the Ukes to cross the Dnieper and go on offense to the east, to try and attack Melitopol, restore access to the Sea of Azov, and cutoff Crimea…..Moving quickly before the Russians can restore their defenses. The Ukes have been reported staging bridging and crossing equipment ( no comment on the odds of success landing on the other bank under Russian artillery and air defense)

Remember both sides nazi now NATO, and Russian, have fought previous huge battles of the Dnieper and learned lessons. And both used dam destruction/ flooding water in military operations. The Russians in 1941, the Germans in 1943.

( sources multiple)


24 posted on 06/07/2023 8:23:10 AM PDT by silverleaf (It’s not propaganda just because you disagree with it. )
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time
So wrapped into a single attack aimed at you were empty assertions, misuse of historical and religious terms, and a slur. This is what seems to pass today for partisan cheer-leading in the Russia-Ukraine war, a conflict officially between two non-NATO nations and having nothing at all to do with the Jewish population of either Ukraine or Russia. "Blood libel" as an accusation addressed to you is itself has a clear historical line, and it is not pretty.

It seems I'm over the target.

25 posted on 06/07/2023 8:35:15 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Navy Patriot

The dam destruction was a way of distracting the Western sheeple from the failure of the Ukrainian counteroffensive.


26 posted on 06/07/2023 8:43:08 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: fireman15
Yeah, my spell-correct does that to me often enough to cause me trouble.

I occasionally deliberately misspell words for a purpose, or create completely new words for use in my tagline.

27 posted on 06/07/2023 8:45:50 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Kazan

I don’t think it worked as well as was planned.


28 posted on 06/07/2023 8:46:59 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: tired&retired; All

https://twitter.com/1945Luxemburg/status/1666025523816833024
The water level in the Kakhovka reservoir was artificially raised from 14 to 17.5 m shortly before the explosion and flooding, according to the French monitoring portal Theia-land.

Kiev is discharging water the Dnieper hPS to increase the flood area after of the Kakhovka PS

https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1666383007773540352
The water gates of Dnepro Hydroelectric Power Station upstream from Kakhovka are still fully open!
-> Ukraine is not interested in slowing down the flood ...

https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1666024311331667969
Since the explosion, the water level in the reservoir does not fall, but ... on the contrary, it GROWS as in the video.

-> This means, Ukraine is doing everything to destroy the dam fully and flood the area. They channel more water to the broken dam to increase the pressure.


29 posted on 06/07/2023 8:51:52 AM PDT by silverleaf (It’s not propaganda just because you disagree with it. )
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To: fireman15

In the video I saw after the dam was breached, it showed the mines exploding when they hit the dam. Several of them.


30 posted on 06/07/2023 9:56:16 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings )
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

Yes, I posted it to 4 different threads, all on this same topic.

I’m going to see if I can find the link to the underwater explosions after the dam breached.

The convincing fact was the graph of the water level above the dam. It was very high.


31 posted on 06/07/2023 10:01:37 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings )
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To: silverleaf

Thanks for the excellent comments...


32 posted on 06/07/2023 10:05:31 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings )
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To: tired&retired

Did you post a link to that video?


33 posted on 06/07/2023 11:31:56 AM PDT by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: tired&retired

If there were mines floating into the dam that you could see, that would indicate that someone cut the cables holding them in position. If you do not have a link, please describe where you found this video.


34 posted on 06/07/2023 11:40:55 AM PDT by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: Navy Patriot
Yeah, my spell-correct does that to me

I waiting for my wife in the car while she is in a meeting using the onscreen keypad. Depending on which way I have the phone oriented, I don’t always see the “corrections”.

35 posted on 06/07/2023 11:53:45 AM PDT by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: tired&retired

Mikael Valtersson
@MikaelValterss1
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Former officer Swedish Armed Forces/Air Defence, former defence politician and chief of staff Sweden Democrats. Current political and military analyst.

https://twitter.com/MikaelValterss1/status/1666510530444402708
NEWS UPDATE NOVA KAKHOVKA EVENING JUNE 7
I don’t know who’s responsible for destruction of the Nova Kakhovka dam, but if you do what you can to worsen the situation and destroy the remnants of the dam, you’re the prime suspect, not the victim. Ukraine keeps the gates at Dnipro HDD open (video) and the water streams southward. The already undermined remnants of the Novo Kakhovka dam risk to totally collapse from the water pressure and later on, the flooding of Kherson oblast are worsened.

That’s an clear indication that Ukraine on purpose worsen the situation and are also a clear indication that Ukraine was the original culprit. The fact that the ukrainians also increased the level of water in the reservoir before the destruction of the dam are not an proof of their guilt. They couldn’t know that the russians wouldn’t open the gates of the Novo Kakhovka dam. There could be some natural cause for opening the gates at Dnipro HDD before the destruction of the Novo Kakhovka dam, but afterwards nothing could be more important than to lessen the flooding in Kherson oblast.


36 posted on 06/07/2023 1:31:42 PM PDT by silverleaf (It’s not propaganda just because you disagree with it. )
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To: silverleaf

While I agree, WAR IS HELL.


37 posted on 06/07/2023 3:06:41 PM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings )
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To: anyone

Whomever did committed a war crime against civilians:

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1666856094399070209


38 posted on 06/08/2023 10:54:45 AM PDT by Phoenix8
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Stop your filthy blood libel by calling these freedom loving people nazis. Their president is Jewish and you are an idiot.


Stop your filthy blood libel by calling these nazis freedom loving people.Their president is an idiot and you are Jewish.
,,, There i fixed it for ya


39 posted on 06/08/2023 4:57:48 PM PDT by CarolinaReaganFan
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