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Richer people pay more: California to set electricity bills based on people’s income; The more you make, the higher your electricity rates
The Guardian ^ | 06/06/2023 | Rose Horowitch

Posted on 06/06/2023 1:52:55 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

I recently had a young lady ring my doorbell (despite the “No Solicitation” sign) in SE Michigan with a petition, claiming to be from a group promoting ‘clean water’. (This is a big deal here, with proximity to 4/5 Great Lakes) In questioning her regarding the petition, her group and its views, I finally got to the crux of the issue: They were trying to get signatures to get legislation passed to tie water bills to income. There are widely varying rates among the different municipalities surrounding Detroit, and that fact is may spark debate over why this is the case, quite legitimately. However, any government sanctioned fleecing of people who either worked hard for their good fortune or even those who inherited it is pure bovine excrement!!!!


61 posted on 06/06/2023 4:28:01 PM PDT by MIhomeschooler
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To: SeekAndFind

Pure “d” old communism, as my grandpa would say.

Having been born in 1880,he can’t say it any more.


62 posted on 06/06/2023 4:29:05 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Celebrating 42 years of sobriety this year, thank you Heavenly Father.)
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To: CIB-173RDABN
Check my memory...wasn't the right to vote not just for white landowning men,but free men (not slaves or indentured servants) of any ethnicity that owned land too?

History conveniently forgets there were free blacks, Texicans, former Spanish subjects, Chinese, and even Native Americans that owned land, businesses, slaves, etc prior to 1865.

63 posted on 06/06/2023 4:34:27 PM PDT by thescourged1
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To: xp38

I know that you are right, anyone that can, will construct their own generator. The only problem is that as more people do the more it is likely that California will use permitting and private electricity taxation.


64 posted on 06/06/2023 4:41:06 PM PDT by 2001convSVT (Asking questions is your right.)
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To: xp38; Reverend Wright

Reverend Wright answered your questions:

“It does make sense. Everything they do has the goal of increasing their power.”

Forcing more electricity consumption while limiting generating and transmission capacity and increasing the costs via solar and wind mandates... every single one of these thing increases their power over the people struggling to pay their bills.

The oligarchs that control CA don’t care about the extra cost.

It impoverishes the middle class and makes them even more dependent on benefits and subsidies that the oligarchs control.

51 posted on 6/6/2023, 3:00:55 PM by Reverend Wright “


65 posted on 06/06/2023 5:05:57 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (We have no shortage of e xperts, who state thotings as fact, but really have no idea!)
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To: xp38

“For most it doesn’t work in term of economics but in this instance they are pissing off the wealthy. Who knows what they will do.”

The truly wealthy with assets in the 30/60 + million $ assets are not bothered by these piddling amounts in their world.


66 posted on 06/06/2023 5:15:57 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (We have no shortage of e xperts, who state thotings as fact, but really have no idea!)
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To: dblshot

It’s not the electric usage. It’s a monthly fee to upgrade the grid. Perhaps it will go away once the work is done.


67 posted on 06/06/2023 5:26:04 PM PDT by napscoordinator (DeSantis is a beast! Florida is the freest state in the country! )
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To: MIhomeschooler

“I finally got to the crux of the issue: They were trying to get signatures to get legislation passed to tie water bills to income.”

This is probably happening in every blue county/city and maybe state in America.


68 posted on 06/06/2023 5:31:13 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (We have no shortage of e xperts, who state thotings as fact, but really have no idea!)
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To: SeekAndFind

From each according to his ability…

Wonder who said that.


69 posted on 06/06/2023 5:38:46 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Electricity use will go through the roof. The lower classes have no incentive to control use.


70 posted on 06/06/2023 5:44:01 PM PDT by Timmy
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To: bigfootbob

California still leads the nation: in the number of people leaving that state. But give New York second place honors for driving productive citizens out of their socialistic hellhole. Additionally, let’s not forget Illinois and New Jersey, also places where productive people are bailing out.


71 posted on 06/06/2023 5:44:11 PM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: dware

I agree. Children are just like little mockingbirds of their “Teachers.” They regurgitate whatever crap they are taught in school. Most of the time, they haven’t a clue about what they are talking about.


72 posted on 06/06/2023 6:03:36 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The southern invasion has been a big success. Foreigner invaders are running the government now.)
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To: napscoordinator

LMAO


73 posted on 06/06/2023 6:46:06 PM PDT by dblshot
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Frederic Bastiat in his superb classic work “The Law” calls it “plunder”. He goes into all the types of plunder.

Anyone that has not read this great work should do so. It’s short and it’s excellent.

There is also a children’s version now. Get a copy for your children or grandchildren.


74 posted on 06/06/2023 8:22:52 PM PDT by chickenlips (Neuter your politicians)
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To: SeekAndFind

I would think this is illegal.


75 posted on 06/06/2023 9:31:20 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“Doing too many drugs...”

How many drugs are normal?


76 posted on 06/07/2023 2:01:34 AM PDT by Does so ( 🇺🇦...................."Who is Ray Epps?" should be overstamped on every piece of currency.)
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To: The Free Engineer
If I have 10M saved for retirement,a paid off house, but I am only taking 40k a year to live on what do I pay?

You sell it all and give it to the poor, just like Jesus and Marx and Newsom told you to. /s

77 posted on 06/07/2023 7:24:50 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: SeekAndFind

Looks like NYS is getting in on the act, too...

Check out the excuse for the rate hike...

https://www.localsyr.com/news/local-news/nyseg-proposes-22-rate-increase-over-three-years/

Assistance to low-income customers?!

When taxpayers are paying for LIHEAP to the tune of billions.

Low-income assistance, my derriere.

And note that electricity users get screwed even more than nat gas customers in the proposal...


78 posted on 06/19/2023 4:55:47 AM PDT by mewzilla (We will never restore the republic if we don't first secure the ballot box.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sorta related, from Upstate NY. Now sewer tax is subsidized, too, for low income residents...

https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news/check-your-bill-buffalo-sewer-rent-increases-over-50


79 posted on 07/14/2023 4:06:02 AM PDT by mewzilla (We will never restore the republic if we don't first secure the ballot box.)
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