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Kyiv denies Wagner claim to have captured Bakhmut
The Guardian ^ | May 21, 2023 | Staff Report

Posted on 05/21/2023 3:14:41 AM PDT by Timber Rattler

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To: MalPearce
Shipping, you dumb limey, because there ground the Ukrainian army into powder.

https://sonar21.com/western-delusions-about-russia-and-ukraine-is-genuine/

But Ukraine paid a heavy price in blood in trying to hold onto that supposedly “worthless” city. Simplicius provides the details of the Ukrainian military obituary:

Why is Bakhmut called a Meat Grinder?
Who was decimated in Bakhmut:
Brigades:
45th Brigade
43rd Brigade
26th Brigade
28th Brigade
62nd Brigade
63rd Brigade
53rd Brigade
60th Brigade
24th Brigade
57th Brigade
30th Brigade
Advance Rubizh Brigade
Advance Azov Brigade
Advance Uragan Brigade
Advance Spartan Brigade
109th Brigade
116th Brigade
119th Brigade
241st Brigade
93rd Brigade
77th Brigade
46th Brigade
4th Brigade
17th Brigade
61st Brigade of Jaegers

Special Forces and Spetsnaz Regiments:
5th Assault Regiment 8th Regiment of Special Forces

Kraken Battalions:
122nd Battalion
68th Battalion
49th Rifle Battalion
15th Mountain Assault Battalion
Omega
Border Guard Donetsk

8th Regiment of the UDAR UAVs:
Shershen
Adam
Karlsen
Terra
Skala
Madyar
Khartia
Kep
Seneka

WASP Legions:
Dudaev Battalion
Georgian Legion
Mansur Battalion
Shamil Battalion
Gonor
Normandy Legion

Most of these battalions have suffered more than 70% casualties just against PMC Wagner.

The twenty five brigades listed above represents a force of atleast 50,000 men (assuming only 2000 men in a reduced brigade) and as many as 125,000. Simplicius also lists at least 9 battalions and 5 regiments — that is 4500 and 5000 additional troops respectively. Do the math. If Ukraine deployed 134,500 troops to the battle for Bakhmut, 70% casualties means that Ukraine suffered as many as 94,150 killed and wounded.

21 posted on 05/21/2023 8:56:12 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: MalPearce
What don't you British a-holes get your military over to Ukraine and fight the Russians yourselves? Oh, because your military wouldn't last a month against the Russians.

Part of me wishes the Russians were so restrained would takeover you sorry country, which has become nothing but a modern-day Sodom and Gomorrah.

22 posted on 05/21/2023 8:58:12 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Timber Rattler

23 posted on 05/21/2023 10:28:31 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: jerod
The problem for Russia is this... They are running out of weapons... The west will never run out of weapons.

And the problem for Ukraine is that they're running out of Ukrainians. The West can give Ukraine everything they ask for with the exception of more Ukrainians.

24 posted on 05/21/2023 10:33:49 AM PDT by Drew68 (Ron DeSantis for President 2024. A real conservative.)
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To: Drew68

They have 44 million people... So if your holding your breath waiting for them to all die... Don’t bother.


25 posted on 05/21/2023 10:42:24 AM PDT by jerod (Nazi's were essentially Socialist in Hugo Boss uniforms... Get over it!)
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To: Kazan

Heh. Loser.

America is the country that had covert patrols going through jungles WITH BOOM BOXES so that their grunts were easy pickings.

Russia is the country that sends its mobiks into battle with more guns pointed at them to stop them retreating, than they’ve got to attack the enemy.

Ukraine’s holding its own, against the Potemkin Putintards.

Part of me wishes the Russians did win, where you are, so that you could fully experience evolution in reverse.


26 posted on 05/21/2023 11:21:13 AM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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To: MalPearce
Ukraine’s holding its own

https://sonar21.com/western-delusions-about-russia-and-ukraine-is-genuine/

But Ukraine paid a heavy price in blood in trying to hold onto that supposedly “worthless” city. Simplicius provides the details of the Ukrainian military obituary:

Why is Bakhmut called a Meat Grinder?
Who was decimated in Bakhmut:
Brigades:
45th Brigade
43rd Brigade
26th Brigade
28th Brigade
62nd Brigade
63rd Brigade
53rd Brigade
60th Brigade
24th Brigade
57th Brigade
30th Brigade
Advance Rubizh Brigade
Advance Azov Brigade
Advance Uragan Brigade
Advance Spartan Brigade
109th Brigade
116th Brigade
119th Brigade
241st Brigade
93rd Brigade
77th Brigade
46th Brigade
4th Brigade
17th Brigade
61st Brigade of Jaegers

Special Forces and Spetsnaz Regiments:
5th Assault Regiment 8th Regiment of Special Forces

Kraken Battalions:
122nd Battalion
68th Battalion
49th Rifle Battalion
15th Mountain Assault Battalion
Omega
Border Guard Donetsk

8th Regiment of the UDAR UAVs:
Shershen
Adam
Karlsen
Terra
Skala
Madyar
Khartia
Kep
Seneka

WASP Legions:
Dudaev Battalion
Georgian Legion
Mansur Battalion
Shamil Battalion
Gonor
Normandy Legion

Most of these battalions have suffered more than 70% casualties just against PMC Wagner.

The twenty five brigades listed above represents a force of atleast 50,000 men (assuming only 2000 men in a reduced brigade) and as many as 125,000. Simplicius also lists at least 9 battalions and 5 regiments — that is 4500 and 5000 additional troops respectively. Do the math. If Ukraine deployed 134,500 troops to the battle for Bakhmut, 70% casualties means that Ukraine suffered as many as 94,150 killed and wounded.

27 posted on 05/21/2023 11:23:40 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan

at sailor’s creek

broken down bridges

Lee couldn’t retreat

grant’s army

was coming out of the woods

waving white hankies at the losers


28 posted on 05/21/2023 11:44:33 AM PDT by Firehath
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To: MalPearce

“””America is the country that had covert patrols going through jungles WITH BOOM BOXES so that their grunts were easy pickings.”””

What kind of covert patrols, LRRPs?


29 posted on 05/21/2023 12:06:32 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: MalPearce

“… America is the country that had covert patrols going through jungles WITH BOOM BOXES so that their grunts were easy pickings.…”
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It’s pretty annoying that you UNGRATEFUL ZEEPERS verbally snipe (with lies) at the country giving the major support to the Zelensky regime.


30 posted on 05/21/2023 12:16:02 PM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAX’)
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To: Kazan

“ What don’t you British a-holes get your military over to Ukraine and fight the Russians yourselves?…”
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Sadly, the British have so degenerated their military that they’d now be hard pressed to have a single regiment or brigade in a “deployable” state of readiness.


31 posted on 05/21/2023 12:19:58 PM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAX’)
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To: ansel12

The “what does covert mean?” kind.


32 posted on 05/21/2023 1:45:04 PM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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To: MalPearce

You tell me, you have American soldiers or Marines, or SEALs or LRRPs Special Forces, or someone American, sneaking into hostile territory while playing boom boxes on their shoulders.


33 posted on 05/21/2023 1:51:26 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: House Atreides

Make your minds up. I thought you wanted to avoid getting fewer of your troops embroiled in foreign adventures too.

Us Brits got the memo. Our capability is much smaller than it used to be, but it’s also a lot smarter and more flexible.

Our telecommunications engineers in our armed forces can look after pretty much any bit of kit in a comms cabinet, and don’t need basic instructions for dummies to do it.

We’re training the Ukes to think like that. And that’s why the Ukes don’t need hand holding. It’s why they’re able to macguyver solutions in the field while the mobiks they’re fighting can’t.

In American forces, for a very long time, your guys had to work to rote processes that would tell ‘em which way to turn the screwdriver. One bit of unfamiliar kit without a manual to RTFM from, and they had to find help. But at least you now have some leeway to think for yourselves at unit level.

Russia hasn’t even gotten that far yet.


34 posted on 05/21/2023 1:55:46 PM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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To: MalPearce

“… Us Brits got the memo. Our capability is much smaller than it used to be, but it’s also a lot smarter and more flexible….”
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Yes, so smart and so flexible that they’ve become non-deployable.


35 posted on 05/21/2023 2:10:49 PM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAX’)
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