Posted on 05/13/2023 5:25:22 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
He threatened mass violence and was taken down. There was a clear and immediate threat. No one is obligated to wait for him to start attacking. He was clearly insane, the criminally insane must be neutralized quickly and efficiently. Have you seen his rap sheet? His existence was a curse upon the earth. This shouldn’t even be a news story, it should be common sense for violent lunatics to be taken out.
The reason no one knows who Eli Dicken is is that the mass shooter he shot and stopped was white. If the goblin had been black, the perpetual race grievance industry would be calling for his head like they are with Daniel Penny.
As far as they are concerned, all black people must be allowed to do whatever they want to do, and no white person must interfere, under any circumstances. That is their vision of our national future.
See, you have to wait until you are bludgeoned stabbed or shot and even them you are expected to take it. Government sanctioned attack on its citizens
Before anyone condemns Mr. Penny, they need to watch a 1967 movie “The Incident.”
“..How Black Americans are treated as threats.”
Only the ones who ACT threatening; not the black-skinned whiteys do-gooders as portrayed on tv and in the movies..(who are ALWAYS the victims of evil, racist white people just because..)
Yes, you are exactly right - this is about black people who subscribe to the ghetto ‘culture’ being able to do whatever and get whatever they want, by any means, without opposition or consequences. - THAT is “justice”(?) to them…
It’s all a heart problem; if you’re a human being, regardless if you’re a multi-millionaire or in the gutter with nothing, there IS still right and wrong. Society shouldn’t have to alter because YOU want to choose ‘wrong’.
There’s a large disconnect between what you think the law should be and what NY law allows a person to do in self-defense of himself or others. Under NY law: “a person may use physical force upon another individual when, and to the extent that, he/she reasonably believes it to be necessary to defend himself/herself [or someone else] from what he/she reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of [unlawful] physical force by such individual.”
As applied to the case at issue, Penny must have first had a reasonable belief that Neely’s use of unlawful physical force was imminent; and second, Penny’s response must have been reasonably proportionate to the threat. What is “reasonable” in perceiving the threat and the response to the perceived threat are generally questions of fact for the grand jury and if the grand jury indicts, the trial jury.
Under NY law, verbal threats do not justify the use of physical force let alone deadly physical force. Like it or not, that’s the law. If Neely was throwing punches or kicks (regardless of whether he actually struck someone) or even stepped toward someone with a clenched fist, then Penny would have been justified in using non-deadly force to stop the threat. If Neely displayed a weapon while making verbal threats, the Penny would have justified in using non-deadly force and perhaps even deadly force to stop the threat. From everything that I have read, however, Neely’s threats were verbal only and he did not display a weapon, and there lies the problem.
Thanks for your explanation...It is useful...
I feel bad for Mr. Neely...I am sure that he had good intentions...But...He might get convicted in this case...
Just Stay Seated and Do Nothing?
That’s why the find bodies in the subway
Jordan Neely stupidity cost him he was a heavy K2 user citizens have every right to protest them self and others.
The Marine acted wisely as the the black man helping him.
Resist, defy and struggle against any such laws. Smash the state. Especially NY state! And certainly, smash street criminals. The only mistake here was getting caught on the wrong side of some arbitrary rule called a “law.” Sure maybe next time wait for the next Neely to attack someone. And THEN put him in a chokehold. The time for passive cooperation is long, long gone.
So, you have to give the criminal the first shot before you protect yourself or others? No response to verbal threats accompanied by insane behavior?
We have been advised on this- “When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.” — Maya Angelou
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