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Two Russians claiming to be former Wagner commanders admit killing children and civilians in Ukraine
CNN ^ | Apr 18,2023 | Sarah Dean

Posted on 04/18/2023 3:54:00 AM PDT by tlozo

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Russian project Gulagu net published a video with the confessions of two convicts, ex-commanders of Wagner PMC subdivisions - Azamat Uldarov and ex convict Aleksey Savichev.

They admit to killing Ukrainian children and civilians in Bakhmut and Soledar.

"She's a little kid, 5 or 6 years old. I took a killshot. We were told to let no one out"

A Wagner Group soldier openly acknowledged that they executed Ukrainian teens in Bakhmut and that they do not take prisoners

1 posted on 04/18/2023 3:54:00 AM PDT by tlozo
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To: tlozo

Of course not.

But, hey, make it a headline.

“CNN cannot independently verify their claims or identities in the videos...”


2 posted on 04/18/2023 3:58:48 AM PDT by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they wacnto diese for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)
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Right, how is CNN supposed to verify the killings? They did verify these two were pardoned Wagner mercs.


3 posted on 04/18/2023 4:01:22 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: 2banana

But then they use it as leverage to gin up outrage.


4 posted on 04/18/2023 4:04:53 AM PDT by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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To: 2banana

It would be sorta difficult for them to go over there and verify. At least they admitted it.


5 posted on 04/18/2023 4:06:21 AM PDT by roving (đź‘Śâš“)
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It’s called journalism.

Name of street where it happened. Secondary sources. Other witnesses. Graves. Friends of the family. Others in Wagner. School photos of the children. Parents, grandparents, etc.

Zero investigative work.

Cause...it just fits the narrative.


6 posted on 04/18/2023 4:11:16 AM PDT by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they wacnto diese for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)
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To: tlozo

Oh this is low, No proof, but you post this as fact. When people resort to using kids, they lose credibility.


7 posted on 04/18/2023 4:17:00 AM PDT by dforest (All of America has derailed.)
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To: roving

They were probably Ukes making this up.


8 posted on 04/18/2023 4:17:52 AM PDT by dforest (All of America has derailed.)
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It’s called journalism.... Zero investigative work.

LOL, US reporter Evan Gershkovich was arrested in Russia and charged with being a spy. Russia has a law on the books that if you are convicted of "discrediting" the Russian army you can be sentenced to seven years prison time

US journalist arrested in Moscow meets his lawyers for first time

Evan Gershkovich in good health five days after his arrest on spying charges, according to his editor-in-chief

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/04/us-journalist-arrested-in-moscow-meets-his-lawyers-for-first-time

9 posted on 04/18/2023 4:18:06 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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They were probably Ukes making this up.

They live in Russia, are former Russian convicts Azamat Uldarov and Alexey Savichev – and were both pardoned by Russian presidential decrees last year

10 posted on 04/18/2023 4:21:41 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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Propaganda, and more propaganda but to win a war you must make it so uncomfortable on the indigenous population that they turn on their own government. WWII we did the same thing and it was acceptable by leveling whole cities. Do people realize there were women and children involved? Now we fight wars to win the hearts and minds and have not won a war sense we took that stand. War is messy, war is dirty and war is brutal. Make no doubts about it on what needs to be done to win.


11 posted on 04/18/2023 4:32:31 AM PDT by Slingwing
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Prove it. Put the proof in when you post it then.


12 posted on 04/18/2023 4:33:23 AM PDT by dforest (All of America has derailed.)
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War is messy, war is dirty and war is brutal

Yes, but there is an extreme brutality by Russian soldiers, which dates back to the Second Chechen War where kidnappings, torture and executions were common and never punished.

Russian explains why it’s so common for Russian soldiers to behead prisoners-of-war

13 posted on 04/18/2023 4:39:02 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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Not a surprise... Most of them are criminals released from prison to go fight. Putin’s version of the ‘dirty dozen’.


14 posted on 04/18/2023 4:48:44 AM PDT by jerod (Nazi's were essentially Socialist in Hugo Boss uniforms... Get over it!)
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To: dforest

Ignorance is bliss... So you must be pretty blissful.


15 posted on 04/18/2023 4:50:17 AM PDT by jerod (Nazi's were essentially Socialist in Hugo Boss uniforms... Get over it!)
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Can you provide some proof? Or do you only believe it because you want to and then insult someone who doesn’t mindlessly agree with what you want to believe.

After all the propaganda out there and posted here on this site daily, you just know with no proof that this is true. CNN is the source. Even CNN admits they cannot verify it. I guess they should have asked you. Wow.


16 posted on 04/18/2023 4:57:25 AM PDT by dforest (All of America has derailed.)
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To: 2banana

“CNN cannot independently verify their claims or identities in the videos...”

CNN can’t verify ANYTHING they report on…


17 posted on 04/18/2023 5:01:50 AM PDT by telescope115 (My feet are on the ground, and my head is in the stars. A Man, and proud of it!)
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“CNN cannot independently verify their claims or identities in the videos...”

Yes, its kind of hard to verify their claims since the place of executions is still a war-zone and Russia has a law that if you "discredit" the Russian military you can be sentenced to prison.

The Federal Law of 4 March 2022 No.32-FZ (adopted by State Duma on 4 March 2022, approved by Federation Council on 4 March 2022, signed by President of Russia on 4 March 2022) supplemented the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation with articles 207.3, 280.3 and 284.2. The article 207.3 provides imprisonment for up to 15 years for a dissemination of unreliable information about Russian Armed Forces and its operations. The article 280.3 provides imprisonment for up to 5 years for a "discrediting" of Russian Armed Forces and its operations, including the calls for prevention of the use of Russian Armed Forces for the interests of the Russian Federation. The article 284.2 provides imprisonment for up to 3 years for a calls to impose sanctions against Russia, Russian citizens or Russian legal entities

18 posted on 04/18/2023 5:14:57 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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Yes, its kind of hard to verify their claims...

That's the entire reason this is propaganda and not news. Propaganda can't ever be verified. I like the way you polish those CNN boots though.

19 posted on 04/18/2023 5:19:13 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST (Trump or Bust!)
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