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US should stop 'encouraging' war in Ukraine, says Brazil's Lula
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Posted on 04/15/2023 8:21:53 AM PDT by FarCenter

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To: fieldmarshaldj

“and ignore where they’re at today”

No, I simply don’t believe what they say about where they’re at today. You apparently believe that communists couldn’t possibly lie to deceive people about their true beliefs. I don’t believe that, and you’re not going to convince me otherwise, so I’m not sure why you are wasting your time trying.

“President Trump was a Democrat in the 2000s and President Reagan was one prior to the 1960s, so by your reckoning, they were/are still Democrats.”

No, because not all Democrats throughout history have been communists, so this is a false representation of what I’ve said.

“Because, as you just said, a leftist tiger doesn’t change their stripes. Right ?”

Nope, I said you believe a communist tiger changes their stripes and I do not. If you are going to quote me, quote me honestly, don’t paraphrase me and change my words dishonestly. The only thing that is likely to accomplish is to very quickly get you on my “ignore” list.


41 posted on 04/16/2023 9:11:40 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
What you're doing is choosing to ignore reality and considering that to be a legitimate argument. You've only proven what Putin WAS prior to 1991 and ignore reality from that point onwards. What's your game here ?

"No, because not all Democrats throughout history have been communists, so this is a false representation of what I’ve said."

Nope. It's exactly describing what you're doing here. You think just because a person was something decades ago that they still are now, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary. By your reckoning, Trump and Reagan are Democrats.

"Nope, I said you believe a communist tiger changes their stripes and I do not. If you are going to quote me, quote me honestly, don’t paraphrase me and change my words dishonestly. The only thing that is likely to accomplish is to very quickly get you on my “ignore” list."

You got caught with your proverbial britches down and now you complain about it. BTW, there is no option on FR for "ignore." But your digging yourself a hole and doubling down is only going to lessen your reputation here. Our reputation is, after all, one of the few things we truly have.

42 posted on 04/16/2023 9:20:41 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (America Owes Anita Bryant An Enormous Apology)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“You’ve only proven what Putin WAS prior to 1991 and ignore reality from that point onwards.”

I’m not ignoring anything. I just don’t see anything that convinces me to take the word of a communist that he has changed his ways.

If you want to choose to trust commies that way, you go right ahead, but I’m not going to choose to go down that road with you.

“It’s exactly describing what you’re doing here. You think just because a person was something decades ago...”

Now you’re just flat out lying. I clearly said “a commie”, not “a person”, and you damn well know it. Since I’ve already warned you not to try this dishonest tactic, we are done here, I am putting you on “ignore” with the rest of the liars who use these kinds of dishonest tactics.


43 posted on 04/16/2023 9:26:21 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Putin would have served the Czar in the Okhrana, if the Czar was still in power.

All the Bolsheviks did was take all the old Czarist institutions are changed their name.


44 posted on 04/16/2023 9:28:08 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Boogieman
"I’m not ignoring anything. I just don’t see anything that convinces me to take the word of a communist that he has changed his ways."

But you are ignoring reality here. That's why I ask what your game is ?

"If you want to choose to trust commies that way, you go right ahead, but I’m not going to choose to go down that road with you."

Your argument that he is presently a Communist has been debunked. That you fail to present any evidence after 1991 that he still adheres to that ideology is curious. Again, what's your game here ?

"Now you’re just flat out lying. I clearly said “a commie”, not “a person”, and you damn well know it. Since I’ve already warned you not to try this dishonest tactic, we are done here, I am putting you on “ignore” with the rest of the liars who use these kinds of dishonest tactics."

You lost the argument, refused to present any facts supporting your claims, and now throw a tantrum rather than acknowledge you're in the wrong. You're the only one who's lying here, does that mean you'll place yourself on ignore ?

45 posted on 04/16/2023 9:38:13 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (America Owes Anita Bryant An Enormous Apology)
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To: BobL
“US should stop ‘encouraging’ war in Ukraine, says Brazil’s Lula” What I JUST LOVE about this is that the Trump-Haters (Ukraine Cheerleaders) installed Lula because the former president of Brazil, Bolsonaro, was too friendly with Trump for their taste. What they didn’t figure on was that Lula would lead Brazil, and likely all of South America, out of being Neocon slave-states and into a new world where the US dollar would just be another currency and countries would be allowed to NOT have Drag Queen Parades, should they choose not to. The Neocons, in hindsight, should have left well-enough alone, but now they’ve TOTALLY SCREWED THAT UP...and are about to lose half of the Western Hemisphere.

This is it! And it shows the extreme stupidity of people like Victoria Nuland who thought Lula would be her pet poodle. Lula jumped off Nuland's lap and is looking for scraps from Putin and Xi. Lo and behold CNNBrazil leaked footage on April 19 of the Jan 8 riot at Brasilia that implicates the Lula government. Color revolution iniciated.

46 posted on 04/20/2023 8:46:24 AM PDT by TrumpetteNJ
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To: Nextrush
The US bears responsibility for the 2014 coup in Ukraine that triggered Russian annexation of Ukraine. No one wants Russia going to war in Ukraine but to deny US responsibility for provoking Russia is to live a lie.

Absolutely correct! Lula is an illegitimate president, a drunkard, a crook, and wannabe dictator ala Hugo Chaves installed with the help of the US, but he is not wrong to hold the US responsible for the war in Ukraine.

It's satisfying to know that Victoria Nuland may be panicking. The Bidet administration's red hot hatred for Trump and Bolsonaro gave Brazil Lula... And now they can't control him. It will be fun to watch how they will either get him in line or try to depose him.

Economic sanctions will just push Lula closer to Xi. The US is no longer Brazil's largest trading partner, China has surpassed us by far. .

47 posted on 04/20/2023 9:04:13 AM PDT by TrumpetteNJ
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To: Bellagio
Shut-up Lula, you communist POS snake and stupid Khrushchev wannabe old man.

LOL! Tell us what you really think!

Lula has gone off the reservation and the US deep state won't have that.

Yesterday's CNNBrasil airing of leaked footage from the January 8 Brasilia riot implicating the Lula government will probably take him out. Xandao will probably go down too, so good riddance ... still it's all very destabilizing for Brazil.

48 posted on 04/20/2023 9:12:06 AM PDT by TrumpetteNJ
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To: Justa
Brazil’s congress will ultimately stop him no matter how many bribes he ‘spreads around’.

I hope you're right. Maybe with this new leaked footage from their January 8 (US deep state false flag) riot at Brasilia, these members of the Brazilian congress will sign their names to a request for an investigation (CPI)

I wonder if those who accepted the bribes to remove their names will have to pay the bribe back in order to sign again. LOL!

As of 30 minutes ago, they need 37 more signatures.

https://twitter.com/splucasaugusto/status/1649075676937437186

49 posted on 04/20/2023 9:19:04 AM PDT by TrumpetteNJ
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