Posted on 04/10/2023 11:31:53 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
The fact that MAGA essentially is meaningless. What is Greatness defined as? To AOC, America would be Great if it was even more socialist. To Biden America would be Great if it was made out of ice cream. It means nothing specific.
Was Trump's historic and disastrous shut-down of America what makes it Great?
His immediate affair with Paul Ryan... was that Great?
His love of BigGovt programs in general... is that Great?
His selfish (for votes, not health) choice to infect America with unneeded, unwise Warp Speed poison... technically, the death/injury toll has been 'great', but not in the favorable sense.
Freedom is America's core value. Not just whatever some populist politician thinks is Great each new day.
Here is a test of the concept - Can something make America Greater if Trump is against it?
And is everything Trump does considered automatically a MAGA thing to do, including the list above? As if he is the Pope of MAGA? I believe he would say so.
“...the 1976 Republican National Convention...”
Yes. I’ve been to conventions. Where the venue is hosting a party-level decisions event. And noise is part of the fun. The back and forth chants, the humorously braggadocios state rep speeches, etc.
The event in the article was NOT an R party event. It was a book signing. Not at all analogous.
Again, though, I don’t wish to stop the Don fans from obsessing over Ron in whatever legal manner they wish. I’d be scared of Ron too if I was a Don fan.
NUC is not LI. Not the museum of aviation.
There is so absolutely no evidence that they are protesting those three things.
The fact that MAGA essentially is meaningless. What is Greatness defined as?
Trump has made it clear what he means by it. If you don’t know, then you haven’t been listening.
Trump’s vision of greatness is one which puts the interests of American citizens first. And that means, among other things, defending our borders from illegals, terrorists and fentanyl.
It means a foreign policy that genuinely puts the security interests of citizens above the interests of globalists, by focusing on genuine threats, not world-policing.
It means lower taxes. It means fighting the de-industrialization of the country with fair trade policies as opposed to free trade policies.
It means energy independence.
These are all real policy positions which he pursued with a good deal of success during his term.
Your mischaracterization of Trump’s Covid response is about the only thing you have left to gripe about.
“...no ordinary convention”
Yes, but it was a convention is the point.
“... no evidence that they are protesting those three things.”
I did not say the were, I was asking.
what’s your point?...
Bump for later!!!!!!!
That's a bit like saying your only problem with neocons is that they like to start wars that cost American lives.
For God's sake... his failure on this front was absolutely yuge. Like the prior Bush, this is The Don's defining failure. Which, as I've said a thousand times, is unbearably bad because he is NOT sorry or even willing to admit reality. He is STILL lost in a fantasy land where he swooped in and saved the world. If not mentally lost, then dishonest as hell. I believe that latter..
No president has done the type of damage to America as did the Trump / Fauci ticket.
And it NOT the only thing. I listed several others.
Bingo!!!!!!
Republican voters are more worried about the immediate crisis than winning the war.
The war is: remove democrats from the republican party or nothing changes regardless of who wins the presidency.
“And it’s NOT the only thing. I listed several others.”
“His [Trump’s] immediate affair with Paul Ryan... was that Great?”
“His [Trump’s] love of BigGovt programs in general... is that Great?”
The point about Paul Ryan is weak. There was no “love affair” as you put it. Paul Ryan was the Speaker of The House during Trump’s first two years. Trump had zero control over that. Trump had to deal with him and tried to get as much done as he could under the circumstances. In spite of Ryan and McConnell, Trump was able to negotiate a provision to the 2017 tax cut bill to open ANWR for drilling - no small achievement under a RINO controlled Congress.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-55561536
Trump also found ways to bypass Congress’s unwillingness to fully finance the border wall, by reallocating funds from the Pentagon’s budget.
As far as Trump’s “love of BigGovt”, you’re just giving me a slogan, not anything specific. What of Trump’s de-regulation efforts on many fronts, including rolling back the scope of the Waters of the United States aka WOTUS?
https://modernfarmer.com/2020/01/trump-administration-rolls-back-waters-of-the-united-states-rule/
And by preventing us from joining the Paris Climate Accords alone, Trump prevented a slew of new regulations and restrictions from being unleashed onto the country.
Then there were his tax cuts.
As far as Covid goes, you continue to falsely blame Trump for the lockdowns imposed on its citizens by the governors of the individual states.
As far as Covid goes, you continue to falsely blame Trump for the lockdowns imposed on its citizens by the governors of the individual states.
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The Covid revisionists of Free Republic never blame themselves for contributing to the insanity. Nope, Trump did it.
Same with the people who blame Trump for their own decision to receive shots , instead of looking in the mirror, they thrash around for a scapegoat.
Trump was accused by his enemies of not taking the virus seriously enough in the early time period. Trump’s instincts were right, unfortunately many people decided not to follow his lead, and instead turned into a bunch of control freak nutjobs.
Many contributors to Free Republic were scared very scared back in those days.
Why name call? You don’t have civil debate in you?
“The point about Paul Ryan is weak.”
Maybe not a specific as it should have been, but definitely not weak. I was talking about TrumpRyanCare.
“not anything specific.”
Specifically, he loves the awful fed entitlements: SS, medicare, etc. And he tried to create another one: TrumpRyanCare.
Plus, his tyrant nature had him claiming non-existent authority over states during his absolute bungling of the swamp-generated virus crisis. Which was really a govt crisis. The bug did not break America, Trump’s admin did. Naturally, Biden was even worse.
“...blame Trump for the lockdowns imposed on its citizens by the governors”
Yes, I do. Yes, it was Trump.
His admin used the obviously bad Fergusson model data (worse than GW models) to scare the bee Jesus out of most Americans (not me) and the world. Then shut down what he could legally shut down: travel, fed properties and offices, Smithsonian types places, etc.
Then pushed the asinine 15 days nonsense (later 45 days, etc).
Then he came crying to Ron to get FL to obey his bad-science tantrum. Ron obliged the tyrant, more than paying back the The Don for an endorsement. Don called Ron a great gov back then when Ron was obedient to The Don - keep in mind Don knew then all the things about Ron which Don now claims make Ron a bad gov. So SuperD was dishonest with you then or he is now.
Later, Don tried to stop states from opening, with embarrassingly false claim he had some authority over govs.
There is a valid criticism for Ron here too. I blame him for listening to the Disastrous Don. Just as DD listened to the very long-known bad actor Fauci.
Later still Don finally wakes back up and promotes opening the states.
Trump was great on the regulation killing front.
And, yes, Don deserves a medal regarding the Paris Treaty. I hope President Ron makes him Sec of State.
Flash mob at a DeSantis event? If true, the folks participating were cultist jerks.
And we have another one here.
Why do you call them "cultist jerk"?. They use their first amendment rights to support their candidate.
And you use yours to support your candidate. For example your posts here (even though this is a private forum).
A group of supporters waving Trump flags is fine, if that is all that happened. I doubt it, though, with this “flash mob”. This idea that Trump can do no wrong is silly.
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