Are We the Baddies? [America Blew Up Nordstream Pipeline]

Chronicles ^ | March 1, 2023 | Edward Welsch

[FrankRizzo890]

IMHO, we were dead set on supporting Ukraine. Germany and friends were NOT, because they were getting the gas from the Nordstream pipeline(s), and they didn’t want to jeopardize that. So, in order to “get them in line”, we blew up the pipeline, cutting off their gas. And shortly there after, the DID fall in line supporting Ukraine.

Ohhh. Another possibility just hit me. What if the government of Germany WANTED to support the war effort, but were afraid that if they did the gas supply would be cut off, and they would suffer politically at home. So, *WE* do it, and they are then free to support Ukraine?

[pierrem15]

It’s far fetched if for no other reason than the operation would require a level of competence for which there is zero evidence in this regime.

[TheConservator]

I think it’s quite plausible that the Biden administration blew up the pipeline. The administration had the ability, opportunity, and motive. Plus, there is the clear threat that was uttered preceding the action.

Quite plausible does not mean certain. It did entail huge risk if the administration did it. Plus, there are other actors who could also have done it.

[A strike]

“... after Ukraine, Germany could be Russia’s next target.”

What are you three years old?

[Tea Party Terrorist]

No. But I do recognize evil behavior.

[Tea Party Terrorist]

No, but setting it alight by way of the “War on Terror” (against a secular thug) killed hundreds of thousands and cost trillions.

[kiryandil]

Weird how us Americans are being instructed about where we should live by foreigners and FR n00bs on this thread...

[citizen]

This investigative power needs to be unleashed on the totality of the COVID madness.

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Agree.

But Trump....the thing about Trump & the vaccines is afaik, he is still touting Warp Speed as saving millions of lives. I don't think Trump will investigate the Covid scam.

[jdege]

You don’t think that anybody involved would’ve decided “hey This immoral and highly illegal I got to tell somebody”

I don't think that anyone who would be in a position to know what happened, and who decided to go public, would have gone to Seymour Hersh.

[rottweiller_inc]

Oh I’m not too sure about that higher ups and administration I’ve been hinting that they’ve done it. see because people tend to like to take credit that they have that kind of power you know what I mean?

[Widget Jr]

Its the author's opinion of Hersh's opinion. Hersh's opinion has problems.

After the invasion, the US slapped sanctions Nord Stream 2 AG, the company that owns Nord 2. Nord Stream 2 AG immediately filed for bankruptcy. Biden lifted sanctions on the company, after it filed for bankruptcy. Hersh brings up the imposing and lifting of sanctions, he does not mention the bankruptcy once. Right after the invasion Germany was looking for other sources of natural gas. Nordstream was sabotaged on September 26. September 29, Germany signed a 15 year contract with Qatar for natural gas.

Russian ownership in Nord 2 was the in the loans that would get paid off through sales. Russia had the loans, lost future revenue, fines and reparations, and the bankruptcy to resolve before they made a single Ruble from Nord 2. That is tens of billions of Rubles of reasons why Nord 2 was dead weight to them.

As far as the sabotage goes, Hersh's version means the US would have to have a specialized ship with diving chambers and DSRVS right above the Nord lines. That ship would have to travel from the the mouth of North Sea, past the Denmark Islands, to get to the Nord lines and back, when the Nord lines were some of the most watch part of the ocean.

Denmark in white, Zealand island in red in the middle, North Sea to the left, Baltic sea to the right. A ship with specialized diving equipment on deck or a USN nuclear submarines passing through Denmark might raise some awkward questions and unsatisfactory answers. The US now uses the Submarine Rescue Diving Recompression System since the DSRV Mystic and Avalon are retired as museum pieces, a fact Hersh made no distinction.

I'm no naval expert, but that might not pass as a fishing vessel right over the Nord lines. Hersh says the explosive were triggered by a sonobouy from a P-8 Orion. In 5,250 words, Hersh never gets around to explains how or when the explosives were planted. In particular, how the triggering mechanism was tested. He just says is happened, leaving that rest open ended. The Navy is not going to go from the drawing board to operational for a sonobouy triggering device without testing it first. They are not going to test it in Norway right near target when they want to keep the operation secret. That would risk to Baltic states and Russian Foreign Intelligence Service something was up.

The Russian navy has built lots off specialist submarines for undersea intelligence and sabotage, from the larger Belgorod, Lenok, Losharik, and the minature Piranha, Nelma and Halibut classes, and that's not a comprehensive list. Russia would just have to send a specialist submarine and a few divers, set the charges and timers, and leave. Then just let the press and politicans talk and blame each other.

[jdege]

There are a lot of people in government who will drop hints to journalists about things that they actually had nothing to do with.

[rottweiller_inc]

Wow that might be a good excuse except these hint droppers are people in a position to have actually done it

[jdege]

Given that Hersh never names his sources, how do you know that?

[rottweiller_inc]

On a preponderance of evidence I thought that long before that dude released his story his story was just confirmation of what everybody knows

[citizen]

So....do you think your reasoning justifies the U.S. military destroying a vital energy link owned by another sovereign nation? An attack we prosecuted without the accepted decency of first declaring war upon?

We be the ugly Americans, indeed.

[FrankRizzo890]

No, definitely not. I think it was a terrible thing to do, I’m just attempting to explain the thinking behind it.