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Russian officials are denying ammunition to Wagner fighters - group founder
Reuters ^ | February 20, 2023 | Gareth Jones

Posted on 02/21/2023 4:29:25 AM PST by Timber Rattler

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To: JonPreston
Unlike you, I’m a born and bred American

Little boy, my ancestors have been living in Texas before it was even part of the nation. You wish you were as American as me.

And wishing that isn't true, no matter how hard you do it, won't ever change that fact, and make you're hatred of your own country any less pathetic.

41 posted on 02/21/2023 8:52:43 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: PIF

What have they been correct about?


42 posted on 02/21/2023 9:03:38 AM PST by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: ansel12

>>>We don’t have anything like Wagner group in America.<<<

What do you call the Americans inside of Ukraine right now fighting the Russians? Because you know they are there. Someone is directing the battery fire for the HIMARS, staff is there telling the Ukies what’s what in regards to our satellite intel, someone is helping them with their drones and targeting, someone is helping them with all the other American weapons systems like anti air systems.

It might not be a formal mercenary group like Wagner, but it’s also not the regular Army that is inside Ukraine is it?

And it’s not just Americans. Poland is probably the number one country in terms of “volunteers” to Ukraine. They have the caskets to go along with that too.


43 posted on 02/21/2023 9:07:13 AM PST by BJ1
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

The US military has been a PMC for decades.


44 posted on 02/21/2023 9:11:19 AM PST by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: BJ1
What do you call the Americans inside of Ukraine right now fighting the Russians?

I think those are called war criminals.

45 posted on 02/21/2023 9:15:17 AM PST by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: BJ1

What Americans in Ukraine, a few guys who traveled over there to fight?

That is common and we had guys do that for Rhodesia and South Africa, in Africa and in Latin America, European men do it also, guys looking for adventure while serving a cause.

It was very popular during the Reagan years.

The Wagner group is not just a few mercenaries or adventurers, it is a huge army competing on equal footing with Russia’s regular army and using Russian tanks and jets and helicopters and arms.


46 posted on 02/21/2023 9:18:29 AM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12
That is common and we had guys do that for Rhodesia and South Africa, in Africa and in Latin America, European men do it also, guys looking for adventure while serving a cause.


47 posted on 02/21/2023 9:19:32 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: wastedyears

Don’t be silly.


48 posted on 02/21/2023 9:21:33 AM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12

Wagner is an arm of the Russian government and its policies. They would not have access to Russian military fighter jets, tanks, etc., if they were not.


49 posted on 02/21/2023 9:21:33 AM PST by lodi90
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To: dfwgator

The 1960 and 70s were more the old type of mercenaries in Africa, where guys like Mad Mike Hoare and Bob Denard got famous, where 50 or a hundred white men could really change things.

Americans tended to be more idealist and idealism definitely was the dominant reason of the Reagan years and today.


50 posted on 02/21/2023 9:26:36 AM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: Timber Rattler

There will never be enough young Ukrainian or Russian soldiers to grind up to satisfy people like you. Your soul must look like a ghoul.

It is impossible to underestimate you.


51 posted on 02/21/2023 9:45:35 AM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: FreshPrince

>Russia struggles to capture a village.

Nah, they just sat back and blew up thousands of Ukrainian troops.


52 posted on 02/21/2023 10:14:39 AM PST by struggle
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To: FlyingEagle

I like how in your mind we’re the bad guys because we don’t want Ukraine to be raped to death by Russia.


53 posted on 02/21/2023 10:24:14 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Ukraine is being attacked by Russia because the Obama Administration engineered a revolution to take over the government in 2014, engineered by the CIA and Victoria Nuland at State, installing a government hostile to Russia interests which interests have been strategic and endemic in Ukraine ever since the dissolution of the USSR. The Russians oppressed Nuland’s (Nudelman) grandparents who went into exile, a generation ago, and she has a gigantic axe to grind against Russia. Take a look at a photo of her. Her face is eaten up with rage and hatred. The Brandon Junta is easily influenced by radical extremists and propaganda artists who are incitement agents or agents provocateur who create conflict where none exists, usually for nefarious purposes such as unjustifiable enrichment, or even for simple revenge.

I have been to Ukraine, several times in the 2000s, including in Crimea. There are no strategic American interests there. None. The populace is mostly ethnic Russian in many areas, including Crimea and in Eastern areas such as Donbas. The business sector and government sectors are more corrupt than Russia, and even more corrupt than Egypt, I would say, having lived in Cairo for a number of years.

There is no democracy. None. The Parliament is a collection of crooks who enrich themselves, kind of like Washington, but much worse.

The United States has absolutely no business there except participating in the corruption, which is what Joe Biden does. Where do you suppose the $500 million Dollars he just handed over is going?

Yes Russia needs to halt its aggression against Ukraine. Yes, Ukraine needs to halt its aggression against Russia.

No, I do not support US engagement in an endless war without objectives. Especially not proxy war against a nuclear superpower.

Joe Biden is a leader of an international crime family enriching themselves at the cost of US taxpayers and Ukrainian/Russian lives. I do not support him nor anything he does. Including this bogus war in Ukraine.

Ask yourself, why did he blow up Nord Stream pipeline?

Ask yourself, why has he not lifted a finger to halt the bloodshed?

Ask yourself, why have the objectives of this war and the endgame not been spelled out?

Because, its all about the Grift, that is why.

No, I do not support Russia, I do not support the proxy war in Ukraine, and I sure do not support anything Joe Biden does.

And - its ok to think for yourself and not believe the storyline dished out by MSM - in wartime, MSM is almost always influenced by propaganda from one side of the conflict or the other.


54 posted on 02/21/2023 11:09:24 AM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: ansel12

>>>What Americans in Ukraine, a few guys who traveled over there to fight?<<<

Yes there are a few guys who traveled over there to fight. BUT I DIDN’T MENTION THEM IN MY PRIOR POST.

I AM TALKING ABOUT ACTIVE MILITARY PERSONAL, CONTRACTORS (RETIRED MILITARY) OR COVERT AGENTS inside Ukraine right now. Do you think Ukranians know how to work the HIMARS???? Especially with the real time targeting assistance of our spy planes flying in Romania or the Black Sea? And just expand the need for qualified Americans to work all the other weapon systems that we have sent over.

Do you know why Hitler declared war on the United States? Because for about six months the USA had waged an undeclared war against Germany. The USA was actively hunting German U-Boats in the western half of the North Atlantic. This was done specifically to aid the British so they could better concentrate their navy, which was stretched very think at that moment in time.

Japan also declared war on the USA after we had embargoed their country and forced other western countries to go along with us, specifically the British and the Dutch. That dried up their sources of oil and many other needed materials to continue their war with China. Japan had two choices: Give up China or expand the war to take resources that they could no longer purchase.

You may argue that Russia is evil and deserves what we are doing to them. However the last century tells us that going down our present path could very well lead to open war.

Which is why I think all you Russia haters are INSANE. IDGAF ABOUT UKRAINE. I don’t really care about Russia either. Let them fight it out. It’s none of our damn business.


55 posted on 02/21/2023 11:28:14 AM PST by BJ1
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To: FlyingEagle
Ukraine is being attacked by Russia because the Obama Administration engineered a revolution to take over the government in 2014, engineered by the CIA and Victoria Nuland at State, installing a government hostile to Russia interest

Fake news. Russia claimed it invaded Ukraine because of an imminent joining of NATO. This, of course, is false since with the ongoing conflict in the Donbass and occupation of Crimea, Ukraine is ineligible for membership.

Your "the CIA did the Miadan!" was the excuse Russia used to take over Crimea and the Donbass in 2014, killing innocent people, cutting off heads and mailing them to the family members, and even grabbing protestors from off the street, in broad daylight and on CCTV, and leaving their bodies to be found later in the woods, tortured and brutalized to death..

That excuse was also bunch of BS.

The business sector and government sectors are more corrupt than Russia.

Ukraine scores better than Russia, and unlike Russia today, it has actively been tossing out all the corrupt Russian stooges since 2014, whereas Russia just gets worse and worse:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index

There are no strategic American interests there. None.

We have the same interests in Ukraine as the world did in Poland in WW2: to stop an expansionist dictatorship from gobbling up one country after another in Europe.

And like in WW2, the US was infected with a bunch of Pro-Hitler retards saying we had no interest in anything going on in Europe. The result was millions more dead than what would have occurred if we had joined the fight immediately.

No democracy.

Sorry Putinis, but there have been plenty of elections, and they all say the same thing from the people of Ukraine: screw you, Russia!

No, I do not support US engagement in an endless war without objectives.

But there ARE objectives, and whether you like it or not, whether you cry all day on the internet, they WILL be met! And that is: the complete victory of Ukraine and liberation of Crimea and the Donbass. The only JUST outcome such a situation requires.

And in 2024, the voters will remember that a vocal minority of the Republican party decided to join hands with the Russians... only to fookin' lose, as Russia is humiliated, like the eternal losers they are.

And guess what? We'll lose in 2024 against one of the weakest candidates ever.

56 posted on 02/21/2023 11:37:36 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Well you should just be bloody elated by this Brandon War then. Enjoy it.


57 posted on 02/21/2023 12:30:29 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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